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Oh, I don't know, maybe someone could have one not for carry but for range work or home defense where it is not being carried. These days there are a lot of pistols better suited for CC.

Perhaps you could be more specific; what disdain?

Agreed, there are better uses of that time, but the church shooting was put forward as an example of why all guns should loaded and ready for instant use. But, as you will see in my FIRST post on this subject, in this particular case. It would have made little difference, due to how the attack unfurled.
"The fact that you think you know ahead of time when you need to load your pistol and when you don’t Is ridiculous. The people sitting in church in a good part of town though they were safe also, yet a shooter walked in and slaughtered many of them. When the shooting starts I want to shoot back immediately, not need to load.
I would agree with you in concept, but that particular example
does not work. The first shots came blind through the side of the church. By the time he came inside, it wouldn't have made any diffrence if the bullets were loose in your pockets. Those folks were sitting ducks."


There are many better examples of the need to be ready, not almost ready. However, the church shooting was not a good example. It would have made little diffrence to the outcome ,loaded, or unloaded.

No one knows anything ahead of time, that’s why prepaid for the worst and hope for the best.

If I was more comfortable with Condition One than Condition Three, I'd use it more often.

Happy now?

I thought it was pretty obvious people carry with the mode they are most comfortable using.

Much of my adult life has been spent fixing failed electro-mechanical stuff. Some have been pretty bizarre failures, things that in theory should never happen. If you want to fully trust a mechanical safety, go for it. After all, no one has ever had an AD/ND using Condition One, right? I choose not to.

I don't think so. Not a lot.

Just one example mentioned before:

1911 Lightweight Commander, loaded chamber, cocked and locked, no ambidextrous safety, no extended safety and an extra power firing pin spring, Titanium firing pin with the correct holsters designed for such. With a flush fitting metal bottom magazine.

... in .45 ACP , extra full magazine or two .



It takes time for some to understand.

Others, it is drilled into them. Over and over and over again.

We are talking about a true battle gun are we not?

Or just some modern assembly marketed as such with no history.

Triple Tap that Jack!

Are you saying C3 is amune to AD/ND?

Condition Three is empty chamber, loaded mag, hammer down.

None of my firearms will fire - intentionally or otherwise - with an empty chamber. So yes, I'm saying Condition Three is immune to AD/ND.

In order to have an AD/ND they must first be made to leave Condition Three.

"Prepare for the worst and work for the best" is something I've been teaching my girls for years.

I've also taught them that asking themselves "What is the worst that could happen?" when making decisions can save a lot of grief.

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That really takes the fun out of it.....

Don't cross the street you might get run over.

This thread has turned into nothing but an argument. Some people read but some do not listen.

It has included "forgetting to snap your safety off under duress" to being able to use both your hands to rack your slide and then shoot. What is the bad guy doing while your using both hands to get ready to shoot?

"Hold on a minute boy, let me get my gun ready to shoot you at arms length".

I am sure the bad guy will oblige.

CH and I have a simple difference of opinion. I don’t hate him because he does not carry a round in the chamber. It’s his life and his decision. My goal was to provide my opinion and post a few examples of failures with this mode of carry.

Agreed. We have both made assessments of our environments, come to different conclusions as to the threat levels we face and thus made different decisions as to the best method of carry for our purposes.

I was not talking specifically about you two alone.

We all have something to learn from each other. If we think about things said.




I tend to think a CC incident as a "battle scenario" .



.....and me winning.

I can't do some of the things I could do when I was younger. But I still feel comfortable in my abilities.

I'll just say it before someone else.....

That guy's a little slow on the trigger.

No, it makes a good point.

Hardly. It just spouts an opinion, not fact. And not a particularly well-reasoned opinion at that - in my opinion.

Yeah, in your opinion.

I gotta admit, if you're carrying a 1911 and it's not cocked and locked you might as well be carrying an empty chamber.

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