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I loaded some 64 BSB up with TAC and at 25 gr. got 2975 fps and two 5 shot groups were 3/8 and 5/8 in. This was in a 24" Heavy barreled DPMS. This load also shot 1" out of a 16" barreled m4 version dpms. I have not used it on anything but paper. I was at a friends ranch when I worked up the load mentioned above. When I got to the 25.5gr load and we looked at the group, my friend said "Quit now. You have your load."  My group was much like yours. Ed
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I've had problems getting the 64 BSB to group in .223, .22-204 and .22-250.
SPS recently offered blem factory .22-250, 64 BSB ammo. I ordered a box just to see how Nosler factory BSB ammo shoots. I see they're now sold out of that item.
My .22-250 has an 8 twist Shilen barrel.
Terminal performance is reportedly great with that bullet.
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Will the Federal Fusion open up quick enough to drop a yote quickly? Why would you want to when there are so many great & much cheaper yote bullets? In my experience, yes. It's all about placement. You certainly aren't going to get big exit holes, but every one of the coyotes I've shot with them have gone down pretty quickly. I killed a coyote here at ~150 yards, through the body behind the shoulder and, at the shot, the coyote dropped, got back to it's feet, spun around a couple of times and fell over dead. Another one I shot though the body just keeled over and didn't move. Same with the bobcat I shot with them. I was shooting that Sierra 65gr SP before I got these and the effects were roughly the same. This one is a little more accurate in all three of my rifles, but not by much. Ed Thanks that sounds good and about what I expected, The Sierra 65 BTSP will probably stay my go to bullet in my bolt action at least till I use them up then I may try the Fusion, ordered 1000 Fusions for the ARs,, I have alot of everything but bullets for them.
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Used to be able to buy Sierra 60 flat base HP. Extremely accurate in our ARs to 200 no problems. Never shot much with it other than a few javelina and a coyote. Fairly decent HP
Still tend to prefer barnes for do it all situations, but have had good luck with lots of bullets in the AR as long as we are talking heavier bullets... 55s I've never shot.
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Jeff,
If the Fusions had not come along, I would have been using the SGK 65gr SP or the Barnes 62gr TSX.
My Rock River AR really likes those 62gr TXS loaded up to 5.56 pressures with the max load of TAC.
Ed
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Went to BassPro last night to pickup some Varget to try with these bullets.
They wanted $40.00 per pound, so I told them to GFY.
I guess the new test loads will have to wait until I make it to Sportsman's.
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Went to BassPro last night to pickup some Varget to try with these bullets.
They wanted $40.00 per pound, so I told them to GFY.
I guess the new test loads will have to wait until I make it to Sportsman's. OUCH! Do you have any CFE-223? If so, try 25.5gr of it. My RRA AR likes the Barnes 62gr TSX with this load for a little over 3,000fps. Max load for the 62gr TSX is 27.0gr of CFE-223. Ed
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Went to BassPro last night to pickup some Varget to try with these bullets.
They wanted $40.00 per pound, so I told them to GFY.
I guess the new test loads will have to wait until I make it to Sportsman's. OUCH! Do you have any CFE-223? If so, try 25.5gr of it. My RRA AR likes the Barnes 62gr TSX with this load for a little over 3,000fps. Max load for the 62gr TSX is 27.0gr of CFE-223. Ed Ed, I've tried a long list of powder with them. CFE-223, IMR-8208, H335, Benchmark, Tac, LT-32, H-322, W748, and N133, and IMR-4895. So far, only thing that shot close to an inch was IMR-4895. Considering the similarities between 4895 and Varget, I thought it might be worth trying. However, I do have some 69gr NCC begging to have some CFE-223 lit behind them. Might be fun to see how that works out?
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I'd try a new barrel before I tried a new powder!
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The Nosler 64gr BSB is probably the best bonded 0-200 yard bullet you can get. There's not an animal in NA that I wouldn't shoot with them. Will the Federal Fusion open up quick enough to drop a yote quickly? Yes. I have killed to just shy of 400 with the 62gr Fusions from a 10.5" barrel. One of the best multi purpose bullets available.
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I'd try a new barrel before I tried a new powder! Barry, The barrel shoots great with other bullets. Actually it shoots great with most bullets. It just doesn't like the combinations I've tried with this one bullet.
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I'd try a new barrel before I tried a new powder! Barry, The barrel shoots great with other bullets. Actually it shoots great with most bullets. It just doesn't like the combinations I've tried with this one bullet. Interesting thing, I was in a LGS today, looking for some more .308 168gr TTSX and got to talking with one of the guys who works there. He has the exact same issue with one of his five .223 rifles. Nothing but 4895 will get him anywhere near 1 MOA in that particular rifle with anything over 50gr bullets. (He tried really hard to sell me one of three brand new Browning .223's on the rack that they can't get rid of, even at their cost because they all have 1:2" twist barrels. No one around here wants a .223 that won't shoot 60gr+ bullets). Ed
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The 62 Barnes TTSX is the best AR bullet I’ve used as far as accuracy goes.
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Thinking about buying a 1-6 or 1-8 for one of my AR's and shooting a pig with the 64 gr Nosler Bonded, the only Barnes' I have loaded are 55 gr TSX's, bet they'd work too, but, also bet the Nosler would have a heavier splat penetrating punch than the buzzsaw Barnes.
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We've killed a few with 50 and 55 gr NBT's in AR's, I'm not sure why people think they need a magical bullet.
That said I've also used Barnes TSX in 55 and 62 grs and they do work fine. This 64 gr bonded bullet will work too I'm pretty sure.
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No majik needed here, just need to know the penetration will be there on odd angle shots, I still hunt thickets at times and often fire into ham or last rib hits on my way to the vitals, and have never used a cartridge as small as a 223 on a regular basis.
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Thinking about buying a 1-6 or 1-8 for one of my AR's and shooting a pig with the 64 gr Nosler Bonded, the only Barnes' I have loaded are 55 gr TSX's, bet they'd work too, but, also bet the Nosler would have a heavier splat penetrating punch than the buzzsaw Barnes. 1x7 or 1x8. I don't think you want a 6, they are specialized, though my 6.5s shoot 52s just fine amazingly...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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We've killed a few with 50 and 55 gr NBT's in AR's, I'm not sure why people think they need a magical bullet.
That said I've also used Barnes TSX in 55 and 62 grs and they do work fine. This 64 gr bonded bullet will work too I'm pretty sure. 50 and 55 NBTs I wouldn't trust for penetration in some shots on some animals. That said if you konw your bullet and how to place it all will be fine. Its how I kill most hogs with subs in a 22 lr with a can... where most folks think you can't kill a pig without a big gun. Heck even the ones over 200 and over 250 every now and then still die...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Thinking about buying a 1-6 or 1-8 for one of my AR's and shooting a pig with the 64 gr Nosler Bonded, the only Barnes' I have loaded are 55 gr TSX's, bet they'd work too, but, also bet the Nosler would have a heavier splat penetrating punch than the buzzsaw Barnes. 1x7 or 1x8. I don't think you want a 6, they are specialized, though my 6.5s shoot 52s just fine amazingly... OOPS, should have been a little clearer Rost, I meant rifle scopes in 1-6X or 1-8X. 
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oh chit... ROTFLMAO... I totally missed that one! Merry Christmas!
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