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Greydog Your right I am refusing to accept responsibility for game pop reduction, why is that my fault, I never shot anything this year, is it my fault? I thought I was clear on who to point the fingers at. Resident hunters didn't give away 25% of the annual allowable harvest to G/O, not my fault either.
Your fellow hunters are not the reason for poor habitat, why not look to the forest companies who put FA back into wildlife initiatives? They dont de-activate the roads, and all they do is take.
Something to keep in mind is...If you think that if some seasons are changed for a short time then re-instated, think again, once there gone they wont be coming back. Yes it is hunters who have greater access= more game shot, I agree. Its also allowing wolves to move freely like panzer divisons, moving efficiently along the man made corridors, however when your dealing with wolves who breed like rabbits, have no enemies, except man, we will never shoot even a small % of wolves.
Theres going to be huge increases in ungulate pops once the fire habitat comes to fruition, it will be short lived unless they address the vehicular traffic in these new areas,,,,,fire=habitat and it is that simple.
Why should the resident hunting community be held accountable for poor ungulate numbers?
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Greydog Your right I am refusing to accept responsibility for game pop reduction, why is that my fault, I never shot anything this year, is it my fault? I thought I was clear on who to point the fingers at. Resident hunters didn't give away 25% of the annual allowable harvest to G/O, not my fault either.
Your fellow hunters are not the reason for poor habitat, why not look to the forest companies who put FA back into wildlife initiatives? They dont de-activate the roads, and all they do is take.
Something to keep in mind is...If you think that if some seasons are changed for a short time then re-instated, think again, once there gone they wont be coming back. Yes it is hunters who have greater access= more game shot, I agree. Its also allowing wolves to move freely like panzer divisons, moving efficiently along the man made corridors, however when your dealing with wolves who breed like rabbits, have no enemies, except man, we will never shoot even a small % of wolves.
Theres going to be huge increases in ungulate pops once the fire habitat comes to fruition, it will be short lived unless they address the vehicular traffic in these new areas,,,,,fire=habitat and it is that simple.
Why should the resident hunting community be held accountable for poor ungulate numbers? Your correct
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amazing that some still think hunters are to blame and ignore the most obvious problems Good observation about wolves using roads to move and wipe out game. ask any outfitter up in Canada what the biggest problem is now regarding lack of moose, elk and deer and they will say the wolves and bears to a lesser extent. And wolves breed like rabbits and increase population about 30 per cent a year. The only proven way to control them is trapping and poison and govt will never allow it up north. Idaho down here has finally beginning to start getting wolves under control but have many years yet to reduce populations. But they allow trapping and can shoot them from planes and helicopters Greydog Your right I am refusing to accept responsibility for game pop reduction, why is that my fault, I never shot anything this year, is it my fault? I thought I was clear on who to point the fingers at. Resident hunters didn't give away 25% of the annual allowable harvest to G/O, not my fault either.
Your fellow hunters are not the reason for poor habitat, why not look to the forest companies who put FA back into wildlife initiatives? They dont de-activate the roads, and all they do is take.
Something to keep in mind is...If you think that if some seasons are changed for a short time then re-instated, think again, once there gone they wont be coming back. Yes it is hunters who have greater access= more game shot, I agree. Its also allowing wolves to move freely like panzer divisons, moving efficiently along the man made corridors, however when your dealing with wolves who breed like rabbits, have no enemies, except man, we will never shoot even a small % of wolves.
Theres going to be huge increases in ungulate pops once the fire habitat comes to fruition, it will be short lived unless they address the vehicular traffic in these new areas,,,,,fire=habitat and it is that simple.
Why should the resident hunting community be held accountable for poor ungulate numbers? Your correct
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^^^^^^^^^ I agree with 673, etc, on this issue and advocate for a 10% MAX. share of our BC game for GOs and foreign hunters as well as serious predator control by the F&W, BUT, this and the road restrictions NEED much greater funding and field CO staff to monitor and enforce these policies. Will this happen, I doubt it and the huge influx of foreigners as immigrants into BC is a major reason why. So, I am not optimistic.
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ribka trapping wolves is allowed up here. I do lots of it. Most effective method is arial control. They are doing some......but need to do more.
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ribka trapping wolves is allowed up here. I do lots of it. Most effective method is arial control. They are doing some......but need to do more. thanks for clarification. Good to hear
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^^^^^^^^^ I agree with 673, etc, on this issue and advocate for a 10% MAX. share of our BC game for GOs and foreign hunters as well as serious predator control by the F&W, BUT, this and the road restrictions NEED much greater funding and field CO staff to monitor and enforce these policies. Will this happen, I doubt it and the huge influx of foreigners as immigrants into BC is a major reason why. So, I am not optimistic. what do you think will happen after the ban for grizzly bear hunting? black bear, cougar then the rest. greens are against any kind of hunt for us ...
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ribka trapping wolves is allowed up here. I do lots of it. Most effective method is arial control. They are doing some......but need to do more. funny about the aerial control ... the guy in charge of that while working for the gvt was in favor now retired he is against ....
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^^^^^^^^^ I agree with 673, etc, on this issue and advocate for a 10% MAX. share of our BC game for GOs and foreign hunters as well as serious predator control by the F&W, BUT, this and the road restrictions NEED much greater funding and field CO staff to monitor and enforce these policies. Will this happen, I doubt it and the huge influx of foreigners as immigrants into BC is a major reason why. So, I am not optimistic. what do you think will happen after the ban for grizzly bear hunting? black bear, cougar then the rest. greens are against any kind of hunt for us ... What IS happening is perhaps the single most RACIST political action in all of recorded Canadian history and it is the result of the machinations of both extremist Quebec politicians, especially Pierre Trudeau, cursed be his vile name and three generations of "Cultural Marxists" in our pathetic "education system". ONE minority will control all hunting and they will devastate it and most kids now do not know or care.......... hy ya ya hy ya ya...........
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Snap.....couldnt agree more ^^^^^ Last fall 30 NWT "hunters" drove down with the intention of hunting the nahanni range caribou herd in November when the season is closed for the rest of us. The caribou are bunched up at that time of year so it would have been a massacre.....luckily the weather and road conditions went south so they left empty handed....
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Snap.....couldnt agree more ^^^^^ Last fall 30 NWT "hunters" drove down with the intention of hunting the nahanni range caribou herd in November when the season is closed for the rest of us. The caribou are bunched up at that time of year so it would have been a massacre.....luckily the weather and road conditions went south so they left empty handed.... we have these same group of hunters, here in Washington, who go to the elk winter feeding stations to practice their long held traditions too from the cabs of their trucks. Over 30 yds from the road, well too much work. Some members have less than 30% heritage.
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