The BFR in 500 JRH isn’t a “semi Custom” since it is a standard clambering same as the 44 mag, 454, 475/480, etc and thy all cost the same amount. One can get one built through the custom shop if wanted and I guess that could be considered a “semi custom”.
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John Taffin has data for a 385 LBT in 50AE clocking 1,325-1,450 in a 7.5 FA 83. He claims to have loads in the 83 with the same bullet at close to 1,600. I'd bet the case would run a 400-440 in the 1,200 area in a BFR 50 AE with nose foreward without too much powder gymnastics above SAAMI.
Can't imagine the 50AE doing the same at less pressure than a 480 Ruger with same weight bullets, since a BFR/Freedom 83 have been platforms that house much more aggressive cartridges, bore and pressure wise and both cases are the same length.
Its like the boring but true comparison of 44 Mag to 45 Colt, in this case the bore increase being a bit more substantial and pressure range less.
The non custom 5.5 JRH barrel IS a big plus, but a 6.5 isn't out of line.
Maybe the 50 AE is a crimp jumping liability, but I didnt see any indication of anyone using a cannelured (cast) bullet conjoined with mentioning a roll crimp, profile crimp or LEE FCD, despite the fact the taper crimp was (fairly recently) historically a product of consistent feeding in autos with smooth sided jacketed bullets and cast wadcutters, NOT as a solution to lacking headspace.....yes, auto reloading dies for decades were ROLL crimp dies. Ross Seyfried's own championship 45 ACP loads specified a "slight ROLL crimp". A tight fitting bullet to the throat also helps eliminate any headspace issue, again something a deep seated (auto magazine length), undersized jacketed bullet is more succeptable to in a wheelgun, but rarely encountered.
"Case mouth" headspacing is so dire 90% of 45 ACP reloaders trim cases about as often as the Pope picks up a hooker in broad daylight...
I’ve used one of Taffins 454 loads that required the powder to be heavily compressed and the Bullets in the cylinder would jump crimp on the first shot, no matter the amount of neck tension or crimp that was applied.
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I imagine you MADE the 454 loads to work and function in your gun?
Im just pointing out that this stuff should be able to work out. We fired a couple hundred ROLL crimped 45 Supers, cast bullet loads just Sunday in a 25 Smith and an AR. Bullet 453423 and 453424. Have been doing so for several years along with 260 and 280 LFNs. No moon clips in the wheelgun.
I imagine you MADE the 454 loads to work and function in your gun?
Im just pointing out that this stuff should be able to work out. We fired a couple hundred ROLL crimped 45 Supers, cast bullet loads just Sunday in a 25 Smith and an AR. Bullet 453423 and 453424. Have been doing so for several years along with 260 and 280 LFNs. No moon clips in the wheelgun.
Yeah we made them work by backing off of the powder charge. This was back in the 80’s and I called FA to get their advice and they told me there was no way told hold that bullet on top of that much H-110.
I don’t get the fasination with rimless cases in a single action revolver.
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The 50 ae made some sense before the 500 S&W brass was available to cut down, but really doesn't make any sense today.
The 475's easily launch up to 440 gr, I got a bit carried away with a custom mold and ended up with a 460 gr WFN that my 480 had no problem pushing 1100 fps.
If you just have to launch 500 gr, then the 50's come into their own.
The 50 ae made some sense before the 500 S&W brass was available to cut down, but really doesn't make any sense today.
The 475's easily launch up to 440 gr, I got a bit carried away with a custom mold and ended up with a 460 gr WFN that my 480 had no problem pushing 1100 fps.
If you just have to launch 500 gr, then the 50's come into their own.
The 50’s hit harder than a 475 this is easily seen at impact on big critters. No need for a 500 grain even in a 50 as I’ve shot through the shoulders and exited Asian buffalo with a 425 grain hard cast bullet.
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