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Winchester .300 Win. Mag DBM (Designation E)

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Winchester .300 Win. Mag. (CRF) Bolt

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Standard Target Crown

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Oh, sorry - yeah, it's a term for 'nothing'...

As to value (again) that can be richly enhanced if the original owner (you, in this case) has the original box, papers, hang tag, owners' manual etc., AND the rifle is kept in pristine condition.. All this applies to any rifle, naturally..

I've got a few myself like that.... I refer to those as my personal "401K"...

Naturally, I'm the original owner with all the bells and whistles, and some 'extras'.

Winchester 40th Anniversary AA Limited Edition for 1965-2005. The tin contains 25 shotgun shells AA Light Target Load 12 gauge.

Winchester AA 40th Anniversary limited edition tin with AA light target load 12ga 2 3/4", 1-1/8 ounce # 8 shot, 2-¾ dram equivalent, 1145 fps. 25 shotgun shells in original packaging unopened (Sealed).

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Hopefully, I found one and purchased from Hoosier Gun Works in Indiana. I spoke with David who was very professional, courteous and friendly in placing the order. It is a pleasure to conduct business with people such as David. The (E) magazine comes in a box as well and is "NEW" for $75.00.

* I could not conduct any transactions with Midwest Gun Works for they are high minded, uncaring of others, while they seek to take advantage and compound upon it. I tried on Gun Broker as well, but the person offering the (E) magazine was nothing more than a snake believing that he possessed gold in the (E) magazine. He's been advertising for well over two years with the same listing, yet he claims he's selling two (2) per day. I told him this was very unrealistic due to the fact the the model year (1994) was only produced for that specific year in (DBM). Many have converted to drop down magazines, so in this respect, he is merely presenting false claims regarding the sale of the aforesaid. More so, he claims (Jim) that he purchased 3000 magazines which could be for many models, 'did not bother to ask'. In reality, I said, "Keep them for posterity, they may be of use to you".

* All information has been fully documented and can be verified. All replies regarding the stated synopsis or opinions are most welcome.

Article said plain as day that you need the EC

I'm well aware of what the article stated. Verified the information with Winchester (Lenny- Historian), as well as other gunsmiths. All stated that the (E) magazine would suffice (Work). The rifle was sent back to Winchester in 1996 to be re-worked. It was given to a master gunsmith, Victor Manzari in New Haven, Connecticut. Winchester's records are not accurate, nor can they provide any information regarding the destination, rather only holding an invoice to the service ticket number, as being given to Victor. I have the receipt (original) from the Kittery Trading Post which Winchester cannot corroborate. The only alternative would be that Victor substituted another box to strengthen the .300 Win. Mag. My magazine is "Designated" "E" if you have noticed the prior pictures (CRF) not Push Feed.

* I've inserted a picture to denote the differences of each magazine. Should the photos be accurate, my magazine is pictured at "LEFT" (E) and the one on the RIGHT is (EC). The (EC) magazine does not resemble the one I have (E). In this respect, I ordered the (E). The confusion is with the (PF) and (CRF). I cannot obtain an accurate answer to overcome the dilemma pertaining to the (PF) and (CRF). My Model 70, .300 Win. Mag. is certainly (CRF), so you can possibly provide an answer.

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MY MAGAZINE

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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Two Pictures Enclosed: (2)

1.) Chart Denoting Three (3) Types of bolts.

2.) CONTROLLED ROUND FEED - My Rifle


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"MY BOLT- CONTROLLED ROUND FEED"

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*I've spoken with Lenny (Historian) at Winchester regarding the Model 70 "Classic Sporter" .300 Win. Mag. I own, and Lenny stated he could "not" find the "Classic Sporter" in the book, only the "Classic" as you make mention. Can you provide any explanation as to why the "Classic Sporter" is not listed or is the "Classic Sporter" the same as the "Classic"? Lenny did not know as his information is not accurate.

They're the same..

Thank you very much. Lenny (Winchester historian) could not provide that answer. Seeing that you may be available, could you rectify the issue of the magazines as set forth?

1.) As stated earlier, I have a (CRF) Model 70 DBM .300 Win. Mag. with the (E) type magazine. However, all specifications refer to the (E) as being compatible with a (PF). An (EC) magazine is allegedly for (CRF). Can you provide an explanation here?

2.) Winchester seems to be at a loss to explain this issue, rather only saying if you have the (E) use the (E). This response is really not valid when one is working with firearms.

3.) I've contacted custom gun makers specific to the model in question, along with so-called professionals (Will not mention names) and some of their responses are absolutely surprising. "I have no idea", "I don't know that much about Model 70" > 'When in fact they have written extensive articles about the Model 70.

Your input here is greatly appreciated. I'm to receive the (E) magazine today which Dave at Hoosier Gun Works confirmed. Yet, he has not provided an answer regarding the dilemma. He may be busy or maybe he wishes not to respond.

IMHO Winchester screwed up when they used the same designation for a pre-(S/N) M70 Classic "E" box is they did for the DBM "E" box... It causes confusion - even for me.. Since I've not had a DBM M70 in the shop (never had one either) I didn't know that Win used "E" to refer to two separate (and quite different) magazines..

The "E" box that I'm most familiar with is a simple tapered box used for the full-length magnums such as the .300HH.. I keep a couple on hand for the times when a customer is having a M70 chambered in such a cartridge when the original box (ala KFC, ML, etc) is not that long; i.e., 3.4" long instead of 3.7" long...

Who knows why these manufacturers choose some "X" designation for the masses, when their own internal parts numbers are more specific to what's needed..

Ergo, when an owner of a DBM M70 wishes to order a spare (or new) box, just finding an "E" box is no guarantee it's for the DBM rifle...which is why it's best to order one over the phone or at least on a website that shows a pic of the box to verify it's the correct one..

Thank you for the information. I'm not referring to the "box", rather the magazines as pictured above. One can notice the difference between the (E) and (EC). It is somewhat confusing where you mention or refer to the "box" as the magazine. I've purchased the DBM magazine, not the "box". I may be misconstruing your message but could you clarify this point by looking at the pictures as well?

* When you refer to the "box", the below picture is what I believe to be the "box".

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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No idea why my post came out like that!?!?!?!


Here's what I actually typed in:

Actually, I didn't state it correctly above - when I was referring to the DBM owner I should have said "E" 'magazine', not 'box' per se.. Thanks for catching that.

As to those in your pics (kinda small, but I can make out the designations)....

ML refers to a box used for L/A magnum, .270, 30-06, 25-06. both for PF and CRF actions.
BR was for PF action, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 WM

I don't see the other two listed in any of the parts books, whether it's for PF, CRF, or CRPF actions..

The three in your second post might be for the BACOs, but they do not reference to anything from the NH books.