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Dan, is there more than ONE in your classroom ?  Jerry
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On occasion, yes. Problem I sometimes have is that most don't speak German. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/abt1TZ0.jpg) Or Vietnamese.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Dan I have a GREAT appreciation for FINE firearms of all ages.
That is FINE-- SUPERB actually ! ! !
I just got over casting and reduced loads. I do like modern firearms and ammo.
Jerry
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I do as well. Actually have a SS CF bolt gun and two Conterders with plastic stocks and red dot sights. It rains down this way from time to time. Drip-drip-pop-flop is one of my favorite tunes.
I guess my point is it isn't very productive to fix stuff that ain't broke. Some guns are for special applications and others blessed with cartridges of broad application can cover ground from Floriduh to the 49th state of this land called the USA. Fast twists and high BC bullets have a purpose and niche but it is somewhat narrow. That combination has ballistic baggage just like everything else.
And bean counters make good targets.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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With the PRS swinging the Creedmoor hammer, I can see the 25 Creedmoor becoming a thing. 250/3000?
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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With the PRS swinging the Creedmoor hammer, I can see the 25 Creedmoor becoming a thing. Sure ,you could even call it the 250AI!!!!!!
Its all right to be white!!
Stupidity left unattended will run rampant
Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
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Yep, and if they really get into the over achievement thing they could call it the "LBR" (Laid Back Roberts).
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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jwall nailed it... If you do that kind of shooting you need a spotter... Guys who are into hunting and not long range shooting could give two hoots about fast twist.. I tried a fast twist ,22-250.. It shot best with 55 gr. bullets, so what was the point??? I hunt coyotes and other game, but never shoot at game any more at much over 400... Coyotes as far as I can see them, but mostly less than 400.. Fast twist is like the creed, new and fun, but for most shooters and hunters, really not that important..
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DD, that is a beautiful rifle.. Just cool..
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Thanks. I'm still learning with it. .38-55 with a 300 grain pill pushed by Lord Black. It is fun and a learning experience. This is about as good as I've done with it offhand at 100. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/8TpPpqx.jpg)
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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this forum is not an accuray reflection of the hunting public.
most want to buy the cheapest rifle they can find with X characteristic (says remington, stainless, wood stock, has magnum in the name, etc.) and then go buy the cheapest box of ammo they can find slap on the cheapest scope they can find with X characteristic (24x magnification, illuminated reticle, 50mm objective etc.) in the cheapest ass rings they can find and then pay someone else to mount and boresight it, and then shoot 2-3 shot groups of remington core-lokts or whatever ammo they can find at walmart the cheapest and they will keep shooting for however long it takes them to get one round within 1" of the "bullseye" and then call it good, and go shoot one deer a year with it from then on.
the big mass producing manufacturers know this and keep pumping out guns with old twist rates because they know it will work best with the cheap ammo. The only way to get stuff in anything else is custom, through semi custom makers like Barrett, or in rifle forum looney group buys =] This is 100% spot-on.
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With the PRS swinging the Creedmoor hammer, I can see the 25 Creedmoor becoming a thing. Not likely. The winning PRS shooters are mostly using 6mm variants (Creed, Dasher, BR, etc) The aren't going to choose a larger bore and hence heavier bullets with higher recoil. If larger bores were the answer they'd be running the various 6.5's. Bullet manufacturers aren't going to be creating the tooling for vld 25's when their market, competitive shooters that fire thousands of bullets a year, aren't going to be using them.
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25 Creedmoor? I doubt they'll reinvent a fast twist 250AI to change the shoulder angle a little bit.
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Yeah, the .25 Creedmoor ain't happening.
Neither is the .270 Creedmoor, thanks in large part to Ingwe.
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John Steinbeck
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What do you old guys know anyway? 
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
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I would like a 17 Creedmoor and some high BC bullets.
What caliber has been neglected by the high BC/fast twist crowd for longer than the 17?
I am MAGA.
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25 Creedmoor? I doubt they'll reinvent a fast twist 250AI to change the shoulder angle a little bit. My .250AI has a 1:9 Pac-nor on it. Does well with the 115 Bergers and 117 SSTs, and lays 100gr NBTs on top of each other.
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jwall nailed it... If you do that kind of shooting you need a spotter... Guys who are into hunting and not long range shooting could give two hoots about fast twist.. I tried a fast twist ,22-250.. It shot best with 55 gr. bullets, so what was the point??? I hunt coyotes and other game, but never shoot at game any more at much over 400... Coyotes as far as I can see them, but mostly less than 400.. Fast twist is like the creed, new and fun, but for most shooters and hunters, really not that important.. Thnx Mr. S Elliott I'm just now catching up in this thread. Actually I forgot about it since F T & hi B C don't involve me.  Jerry
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