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I don't know the details, but I can be fairly sure that since it was a law composed by the libs and signed by Obama, it does exactly the opposite of what its title suggests - and it's bad for the US. I've also had questions about exactly what net neutrality entails. I don't know if it's good or bad. But, I also know that Obama didn't do anything that was good for the country and it likely has some underlying purpose that's not readily apparent. I fully agree with you. So do you disagree with Obama repealing the law banning legally owned and carried firearms in National Parks? Nice revision of history there pal. My internet bill has only gone up since the implementation of net neutrality. My access speed has not gone up. Only thing I've seen different from pre-NN is a marked increase in advertising software. Oh - and NSA spying on US citizens.....
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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I actually think there is going to be huge backlash against the republicans if they push this thru.
The internet is so key to everyone's daily life, even if the perception is wrong, its siding with big business - cable companies no less who ain't exactly popular anyways, and it could turn alot of people into single issue voters.
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There's no "if." The FCC voted and repealed the net neutrality regulations. We will see what actually happens.
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this is like regulating air !
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Most utilities are highly regulated by the government. They are quasi-government entities. The internet is a lot more complicated than your water or electric service and it's evolving rapidly. The argument is that the private sector will do a better job of expanding internet capabilities if it's not heavily regulated. That's how it was until 2015 and look what happened. I think it's a reasonable argument and we will now see how it plays out. I agree. Many of you surprise me- you get on here and decry big government, heavy handed regulations and "socialism." But, what, not if it's your internet? Time and time again it has been proven that the government is shockingly bad at managing, a.k.a., regulating business or our lives. Less government, in any form, in our lives is a good thing.
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There's no "if." The FCC voted and repealed the net neutrality regulations. We will see what actually happens. it will go to court
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Im glad its gone. Zero is pissed. Its been with us 2 years. MAGA.
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Most utilities are highly regulated by the government. They are quasi-government entities. The internet is a lot more complicated than your water or electric service and it's evolving rapidly. The argument is that the private sector will do a better job of expanding internet capabilities if it's not heavily regulated. That's how it was until 2015 and look what happened. I think it's a reasonable argument and we will now see how it plays out. I agree. Many of you surprise me- you get on here and decry big government, heavy handed regulations and "socialism." But, what, not if it's your internet? Time and time again it has been proven that the government is shockingly bad at managing, a.k.a., regulating business or our lives. Less government, in any form, in our lives is a good thing. the problem is the government - at least at the state and local levels - was heavily involved early on by allowing ISPs to prevent competition which led to the state we are in now.
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Come on guys, if the government did this, it must be in our best interest LOL.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom."
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actually we didn't get along just fine before it
The reason Net Neutrality came along wasn't about the threat of what ISP would do, it was about what they were currently doing, Verizon, Comcast and AT&T were preventing users from having access to apps and bandwidth consuming sites that were in competition with what they were trying to make money on, such as video conferencing, tethering and P2P downloading.
And for the most part they were denying they were doing it.
Comcast won a court case which laid the groundwork for them to start tiered access and Obama stepped in and pushed the FCC to determine they were pipeline providers of the internet, not content providers.
I don't care if its an Obama thing or not at this point. I'm not going to let political bias stand in the way of me supporting something that is good for Americans. Ajit Pai is corrupt. I got along fine without it. 
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well that is all that matters then
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There's no "if." The FCC voted and repealed the net neutrality regulations. We will see what actually happens. it will go to court Sure, just like everything else the Trump administration has done, it will be litigated in the courts. Like the "travel ban", ending trans genders in the military and denying funds to sanctuary cities there will be leftist judges who rule that it is illegal/unconstitutional. It will probably have to go pretty high up through the court system to be upheld.
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Unlike 90% of the issues out there, I don't think this is a Republican vs Democrat thing.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom."
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Ending Net Neutrality is like restricting free speech.
We have all lost because of this!
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Only thing net neutrality ever accomplished, was taxin 11 billion of the producers' money, and usin it to give free innanet to the hoodrats.
Providers hadda put prime internet infrastructure into places that will never be able to support it, cause they don't pay for anything.
O'Buckwheat phone, O'Buckwheat innanet, O'Buckwheat utilities, all free to the lazy, on the backs of the workin man.
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Actually, if you want to judge this simplistically, the cost of my internet service has gone up a lot in the past two years. So I'm not sure I was getting along just fine. This ruling could result in more infrastructure investment for the internet which could reduce costs in the long run.
If the government is such a great regulator maybe they should regulate cell phones more. They could mandate all sorts of things as they did with health care. They might do a better job than Apple and Samsung, right? First person here to get it right. Also, companies like Comcast have decided they'll do their own "new neutrality" anyway since that's what consumers want. The right and left define "net neutrality" differently. We had net neutrality before the government (Obama admin) stepped in in 2015 and we were doing just fine. The left is trying to sell "net neutrality" with the line of "equal access for all to the internet, it's a first amendment thing." That's complete BS. There are guys on here who don't have high speed internet because it isn't available in their area. How's that for "net neutrality" under the Obama ruling? Yeah, not so equal. What the left really is selling as "net neutrality" is access to certain types of websites will cost more via government fiat. Say you want to access this site, theconservativetreehouse.com, the Blaze, Daily Caller, Breitbart, FOX, etc websites. That will be in the "conservative media" tier and providers can charge whatever they want for each tier. Lefty providers that donate to the dems will charge you a lot more for the conservative media tier. See this: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgflip.com/213mcq.jpg) You see today 1/3 of all internet traffic is people streaming Netflix. Yes, 1/3. Under "net neutrality" as the liberals want you would have your "equal access" by needing to pay for the Hollywood (streaming) tier. Consumers don't want this. Consumers want full access to all websites in all internet subscriptions. The only thing that varies is the speed you pay for. The left is selling net neutrality as everyone gets equal internet speeds but that's not really what it is. There hasn't been any real investment in internet infrastructure since the Obama mandate of "net neutrality" in 2015. Why? Because the free market companies that invest in the infrastructure (companies like Comcast investing in things like fiber optic) because of the uncertainty of what would happen with net neutrality. Like I stated, Comcast and others have promised to remain neutral simply because consumers want that. They might throttle you, but you're not paying for a tiered internet service.
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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Im glad its gone. Zero is pissed. Its been with us 2 years. MAGA. No, Net Neutrality has been with us since the beginning. It didn't start in 2015. The regulation in 2015 was a reaction to various lawsuits over the years by the "last mile" ISPs to really get their fingers in the IP pie. Those in favor of Net Neutrality are merely attempting to retain the status quo. Your and other's ignorance on this topic is truly beyond comprehension. Welcome to a the coming bastard child of the Great Firewall of China and the cable bill from Hell.
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Oh, and the New York Attorney General is already suing the Trump admin over this. We know that won't work out well, federal supremacy and all. Maybe NY state can fugck over NYers some more and do an in-state experiment and do their own net neutrality. They can build a great digital firewall like China has to implement it. Then NYers can pay extra to hear actual news on the "Real News" tier, meanwhile the "NY News" tier has fake news where Hillary won and is president and everyone's cars run on unicorn rainbow farts.
It's about like this:
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"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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Your and other's ignorance on this topic is truly beyond comprehension.
Welcome to a the coming bastard child of the Great Firewall of China and the cable bill from Hell.
Your stupid is showing. In a free market (like we have here in America), show me how competition raises prices. If people want an internet plan like the plans currently offered, how will the free market force users to pay... Fugck it. You're not worth it. Thankfully we don't live in your favorite country, communist China. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgflip.com/213o17.jpg) I'd explain capitalism and free markets to you but you'd whine about "giant corporations killing the... whatever."
It's about like this:
"Do you puff peters?"
"Hell no!"
"NAZI!!!"
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What the left really is selling as "net neutrality" is access to certain types of websites will cost more via government fiat. Say you want to access this site, theconservativetreehouse.com, the Blaze, Daily Caller, Breitbart, FOX, etc websites. That will be in the "conservative media" tier and providers can charge whatever they want for each tier. Lefty providers that donate to the dems will charge you a lot more for the conservative media tier.
100% exactly backwards. Net Neutrality means that a packet from anywhere, can go anywhere, without being filtered out or slowed down by your ISP. End of discussion Net Neutrality has NOTHING to do with some rural people not having high speed internet. Sorry, that's one of the drawbacks of being outside of a cable provider's service area. The cable provider just doesn't see any upside in running 25 miles of cable to your home. Nor does the low population density justify putting in the infrastructure needed to support DSL. Want to change that? Get satellite internet, or do a wireless install. The free market at work.
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