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This is why I said they should have used the grendal case instead of shortening the 6.8 case. It's worse of an improvement than the 22 nosler. It's all hype. If you need to run that heavy of bullets do an ar 10 in 6 Creed. It's going to flop. Something on the br case is where this all should start
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I am glad they came out with it because I have a 6.8 bolt that I can use and I would prefer to shoot heavier 22 caliber bullets instead of the .277 caliber bullets. The grendal case consumes a lot of bolt face, more so than the 6.8, just wonder if it would be robust enough.
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Ain't no way the .223 is going to outrun the Valk with anything.
As a race car mechanic buddy used to tell me "There ain't no substitute for cubic inches except more of them".
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Ain't no way the .223 is going to outrun the Valk with anything.
As a race car mechanic buddy used to tell me "There ain't no substitute for cubic inches except more of them". Umm ok then, the 6.8 case is like 3 grains more powder from my memory I could be wrong. shorten the case any and you deducting from 3 extra grains. So what is it 1.5 now? Let's also remember your giving up almost free brass. Grendel case didn't need shortening. But then again why shoot a 22 Grendel. When there is already. 6.5. That is the reason for the choice they made. Marketing and hype pure and simple
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I am glad they came out with it because I have a 6.8 bolt that I can use and I would prefer to shoot heavier 22 caliber bullets instead of the .277 caliber bullets. The grendal case consumes a lot of bolt face, more so than the 6.8, just wonder if it would be robust enough. Jeez Jimmy, a new bolt is what, $60-$80? That's hardly justification for using one case vs the other, especially when you really should be dedicating a bolt to one specific barrel for durability. Plenty of guys are shooting the Grendel (myself included), the bolts these days are "robust enough". Most of the broken bolt stories are from either severe over-pressure loads, or the old days of weaker bolts when 7.62x39 was first tried in the AR. My understanding is that Federal chose the 6.8 case for the Valkyrie because they're already tooled up and making 6.8 brass. Good for Federal, using what you've got, but that doesn't translate to being the best choice for us as the customer. At least they understood to shorten the case for longer bullets than the 5.56.
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The Grendel never seemed as popular as the 6.8. Perhaps because it was a proprietary cartridge? The bolt face robustness I have no clue only that it seemed to be a common complaint. What will be wild is if we see the US Military start converting to the Valkyrie.
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the 6.8 is actually standard at least for the jordanian military and the saudi military. The 6.8 I think has been looked at and considered by the military. the grendel not so much but I still think its the most versatile of the 2 cases, since 22 nosler was rebated rim 6.8spc case. how about a grendel case with a rebated rim that uses a 6.8 bolt but has the length of the 6.8 case.
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The Grendel never seemed as popular as the 6.8. Perhaps because it was a proprietary cartridge? The bolt face robustness I have no clue only that it seemed to be a common complaint. What will be wild is if we see the US Military start converting to the Valkyrie. The popularity depends purely on who you're listening to. The bolt issue comments come more from 6.8 fans who just want another reason to say the 6.8 is better, in my experience. Having used both factory and wildcat chamberings using both cases, I think it's pretty fair to say the only reason for Federal using the 6.8 case is because they're already set up to make it. I don't see any advantage to us as the users. The basis for the Grendel case has been around a long time, 7.62x39 -> 22 Russian -> 22/6mm PPC -> Grendel; it's not like it's a one-off proprietary case. Lapua makes great Grendel brass, or you can form it from 7.62x39 cheap if that's your preference. Federal brass on the other hand - no thanks if there are other options.
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I'd like one in a Ruger American Predator.....left-handed please.
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if boxes of federal cartridges start showing up next year we will see where it winds up regards popularity.
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The Valkyrie is a marketing gimmic rather than a "best design given the restraints." Same as the 22 Nosler. Both are compromised designs trying to gain a proprietary market.
The 22 Grendel in some form is the best design. It may lose out in the marketing department unless Hornady+Ruger pick it up soon, but it is still the better design of the three.
And no, there are no bolt-head weakness issues that weren't resolved years ago.
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Seems like the 6.8 is more popular, maybe the reason Federal tooled up for the 6.8 is it’s popularity over the Grendel.
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They "tooled up" for the SPC case because they already produce that case.
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Seems like the 6.8 is more popular, maybe the reason Federal tooled up for the 6.8 is it’s popularity over the Grendel. When it came out, the 6.8 skyrocket in popularity, where as the 6.5G only had a slight rise. And the 6.8 plummeted in popularity just as quickly as it took off. (helped in part I suppose by the flavor of the week wearing off and by so many people suddenly thinking the re-re-invention of the 30-221 was the latest and greatest most bestest AR cartridge eva!) Where as the 6.5 kept it's slow steady pace onward.
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Seems like the 6.8 is more popular, maybe the reason Federal tooled up for the 6.8 is it’s popularity over the Grendel. I'm not sure why you keep saying the 6.8 is more popular. It's not really, unless you're talking to 6.8 fanatics. Grendel fans will of course tell you the Grendel is more popular. In reality both lag far behind the 5.56, but I think the Grendel is starting to see a lot more use lately. Nosler (well, SSA) and Federal both got into the 6.8 brass making business because of profitable military contracts with foreign governments; that really has nothing to do with whether the 6.8 is more popular here or a better case design.
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federal isnt my favorite brand of brass
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I like to stir the pot, Grendel is the best, wait no 6.8 is the best. I do see more 6.8 loaded ammunition around town, but now I see more creedmore than 6.8 ammo.
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I like to stir the pot, Grendel is the best, wait no 6.8 is the best. I do see more 6.8 loaded ammunition around town, but now I see more creedmore than 6.8 ammo. And none of 'em can hang with the 300 Black'.................grin
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I like to stir the pot, Grendel is the best, wait no 6.8 is the best. I do see more 6.8 loaded ammunition around town, but now I see more creedmore than 6.8 ammo. Can’t run a creedmore in an ar15. Moot point.
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Hope it does well.
I would rather have a 22 Nosler.....but I still hope the Federal round has a go.
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