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Pretty funny. Glad my dad had the sense to make my first rifle a 280. I've never had to suffer using a 270. HUGE difference between the two, isn't there? ........ esp with similar bullets. Guess I forgot the (grin). this thread is funny though. Doesn't matter what cartridge you were to say something bad about guys seem to think something bad was said about their wife (grin) Remembered the grin this time. FWIW ...... I do own a 280. Not a 270 in the bunch.
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Cartridge Voodoo....
The physics aren't that far apart in a majority of BG cartridges. After 88 years of R&D, new fancy CM and new fangled bullets reduce 10 mph FV drift by 5" at 500 yards.
Even more bullschit to cry about. Kool Aid is still 99% water, no matter the flavor.
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The first really modern cartridge was the 8x57. For most purposes everything since has been superfluous.
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I hate the 270 so much I'm gonna go out and buy another one to go along with my 270 Weatherby.
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I have made more kills with 270 Winchesters than I can count. I have had 0 complaints, as long as a good bullet was used.
I can say the same thing about good bullets on any game and from any bore diameter. A poor bullet that fragments and doesn't penetrate is not dependent on it's diameter when it's in the shell's neck. It's just a poor bullet. Be it .243" or .366" (And yes, I have seen both in those diameters -----as well as .257, 6.5Mm 270, 7MM, 30 cal, 8MM, 338 and 358.)
I shoot only those bullets from my 270s that the last 50 years of hunting have shown me are good. 130 Gr Partitions, 150 Gr Partitions, 160 Gr Partitions, Barnes X in any weight, The old 1960s made Remington Core-Lokts in 150 grain, the new Fox bullets made in Slovenia, any bonded bullet of 130 grains and heavier, and a handful of other standard "cup and core" bullets that just work fine.
Ascribing a damnation, or some magic virtue to a mathematical measurement is a sigh of a lack of logic or wisdom.
I have to give the author credit, in that he did acknowledge this point, at least.
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The first really modern cartridge was the 8x57. For most purposes everything since has been superfluous. or Are you from Uranus ? Jerry
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My first 2 elk were taken with a sporterized Turkish Mauser in 8x57, the first one was at a measured 425 yards with a double lung shot that left a 75 yard blood trail that Ray Charles could have followed. No flies in that ointment.
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8 pages................I think his piece is doing exactly what he intended it to do. LMAO!!!!!!!!
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He said he'd send me $20 if I posted it for him. At least it'll get me another box of 130 Corlokts.....
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The first really modern cartridge was the 8x57. For most purposes everything since has been superfluous. I should have bought one of those 8x57 Rem 700 Classics when I had the money and they were being closed out cheap.
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The first really modern cartridge was the 8x57. For most purposes everything since has been superfluous. I should have bought one of those 8x57 Rem 700 Classics when I had the money and they were being closed out cheap. Me too.
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Not a lot of difference in the way the 280 and the 270 kills animals until you try to chamber a 280 round in a 270 chamber. Then it's clearly evident that the 270 works better. MB
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I've only killed two deer with the 270. Two does at 130 yards with Barnes TSX 130's. The first was hit double lung and hit the floor fast. The second turned quartering to and I shot anyway. Bullet broke the onside shoulder, turned up and ran the length of the backstrap, angled down the thigh and broke the femur, which is where the bullet stopped. I found it upon butchering. That deer was a mess. It dropped like it was hit by lightning. It's nice not to have to track a deer, but I lost 40% of the meat due to the sheer violence of the bullet. That doe was massive and the amount of penetration and destruction was impressive. I don't doubt the power of the 270 or the Barnes bullet. I think you could kill darn near anything that walks with it.
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Not a lot of difference in the way the 280 and the 270 kills animals until you try to chamber a 280 round in a 270 chamber. Then it's clearly evident that the 270 works better. MB 😅 That one gave me a chuckle
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He is an idiot and always has been. Ed, I missed this the first time thru. Unfortunately, he is NOT the only one in the profession. There are a few names in the biz that make me S M H !!! Jerry
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I've never owned a .270. Sounds like it's time to change that. Gotta be some bandwagon jumper trippin one to buy a creeeeeeedmoor I do recall reading somewhere that it makes a damned adequate coyote rifle.
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Bryce posts here from time to time. He hasn't been on here since April 2014 If ya can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. And he did.
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I don’t care for .277’s because I like 6.5’s better. I love the 270 and used to be pretty much all I used. I like the 6.5 Swede more better and use that now. I still love the 270 I just appreciate the gentler nature of the Swede combined with the ballistic advantage of some of the 6.5 bullets that now exist. The advantage is not only with high BC bullets but fast twists have proven to perform better with copper bullets and most 6.5s are spun 1/8. The 270 is commonly 1/10 Trystan
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Good bullets properly placed always work, but not everyone knows what good bullets are, or can reliably place them in the field
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"The fact that the critter died was secondary to the failed performance of the cartridge."
I love a good laugh.
Good signature line right there! He was obviously teasing the dog with this article. And yes, I too think he's an idiot....
I will admit that the way he feels about the .270 is the way I feel about the 7mmMag.... for equally invalid reasons, or lack of reason, as it is "feeling".
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There's a lot of ribbing about calibers, but you are well armed with a 270. It has reasonable recoil and sends the bullet out with enough velocity to smoke anything in it's path. I no longer own one, as I have an issue with selling good rifles in order to have another reloading project. The guy i sold it to has had it in his safe for 10 years and hasn't oiled it since he bought it. It probably has a rusty barrel by now. What a shame.
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