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Bocefish; Steelhead,

As I've said elsewhere IF you buy-into "pack theory" (I'm about "a 50-75% believer".), a woman may very well be the FEMALE ALPHA, i.e., the Alpha's MATE.
(According to the theory, every member of the pack will "defer to" & "fight to the death" to protect the Alpha's mate AND her offspring.)

yours, tex

PaulBarnard; ALL,

Paul,
WHERE & WHEN exactly did I say that OR anything even vaguely similar to what you FALSELY claim that I said??
(Methinks, that I've "caught you with your drawers at half-mast", which is to say: BEING UTTERLY DISHONEST.)

LAUGHING AT YOU for your clumsy attempt to "put words in my mouth" & for being intentionally DECEPTIVE & DECEITFUL.

yours, tex

jaguartx,

That is true in SOME areas but certainly NOT everywhere.

I'm planning a hunting trip to Sub-Saharan Africa this Fall & HOPE to take a trophy Croc with my XB.
(A female "hunting buddy" from Kerrville took an over 2,000# croc 2 years ago with her XB. - That was the first & only known time that anyone did that.)

Also, the rivers & "riverine areas" of several African nations have LARGE, hungry & VERY dangerous Bull Sharks that happily PREY UPON unwary natives. = Bull Sharks are MORE dangerous & eat more people than White Sharks are/do.
(As I was once "stalked by" a large Bull on the TX Gulf Coast, while wade-fishing for "specks", I would be exceeding careful about wading/swimming anyplace where Bulls may be hunting.)

ADDENDA: Late one night recently, Jeffrey Wade (,Animal Planet's noted marine biologist & "extreme fisherman",) was reported to have hooked/landed/weighed/measured/tagged/released an over 400 pound/10 foot long Bull Shark more than 40 KM up a river in RSA. = NOT a place that I'd care to go swimming.
(Bulls are confirmed man-eaters & said to be "The ocean's most dangerous predator".)

In 1937, an 84 pound bull was trapped in Alton, IL, about 1,700 miles from the Gulf of Mexico.
Also an > 8-foot Bull Shark was reported to have been netted over 1,000 miles UP the Mississippi River in 2011, so long stays in freshwater isn't a problem for that "ocean predator".

yours, tex

I find it odd that statistics are heavily touted and accepted in one argument and down played in another. Folks go one way on "black on white crime" and will reverse opinions when facing the same numerical values on "Pit bull versus Pekingese

Have a good one,

How do I block an annoying poster?

1minute,

100% SPOT ON.

yours, tex

This is page two of an eight page thread and I’m already thoroughly convinced of what a real bad ass you are, so I won’t have to read anymore of this crap.

Quite a few posters know what they are talking about when it comes to dogs. But more of them don’t,

curdog4570,

IF simply defending your loved ones & one's self from armed vicious criminals, by any lawful means, makes a person a "BA", I plead, "guilty as charged".
(FYI, I do NOT "go looking for trouble" since I retired as a peace officer but our family is watchful & prepared to defend home & hearth, lest trouble should come looking for us.)

Note: The person at our house that you should FEAR (IF you are an armed intruder) is my 5' tall/102# & 100% SICILIAN lady. = Anyone who threatens the peace of our house/family is likely to stop several a 5.56 JHP bullets out of her Model 7615P. - Darla is DEADLY with that little police carbine out to 250M+.
(During THE MESS of Harvey, she had to drive off a creep from getting into our apartment in Houston. = ONE look down the barrel sent the intruder scurrying away.)

I seriously doubt that even one person will miss reading your ignorant/untutored & utterly SILLY nonsense that you've "blessed" everyone with on this thread, as it is quite obvious that you are one of the people who doesn't have a clue, "when it comes to dogs". = ADIOS.

yours, tex

PaulBarnard,

WHEN are you going to APOLOGIZE to EVERYONE here for your UTTER DISHONESTY & attempt to DECEIVE everyone, by "creating" a 100% PHONY & fraudulent attempt to make me look like I refused to answer your (LIKELY IGNORANT and STUPID) questions??

FYI, you are being LAUGHED AT by several people here, who actually KNEW me in the USA. =====> It's PAST TIME to ADMIT what you DID.

yours, tex

Exactly.

Only with Pit's a guy needs a baseball bat to establish the Alpha role.

Sooooo, when you were a peace officer you went looking for trouble?

BillyGoatGruff,

"Looking for trouble" & HOPEFULLY stopping "trouble" before it gets worse is a portion of the sworn duty of a peace officer. - Did you believe that LEOs only respond to crimes after the fact??

"Looking for trouble" is a part of crime PREVENTION.

yours, tex

Tex, you ever been to Pinedale WY?

BillyGoatGruff,

My ONE visit to WY was to my late Aunt June's home in Sheridan in 1983.

yours, tex

Wow 19 pages

My computer shows 8 pages of being lectured to by some blowhard with an irrational desire to change everyone's opinion.
Mine is that I will not trust a pitbull farther than I can kick them or flatten them.

I think what some here are missing is that probably 90%+ of the humans that own Pitbulls are not prepared to train and continue the training that is needed to maintain Alpha status.
Much less ensuring the dog recognizes that family members are Alpha over the dog.

I've worked with dogs almost all of my life.
Trained a good number of them and helped with a bunch more.
Dogs, unless they get extensive training, are never 100% reliable. One can trust them almost completely, but most will lose their hearing and ignore commands given sufficient temptation/provocation.

Given the fact that it seems most of our population can't discipline their kids, who has any confidence that they can train a dog.

Not sure I buy into that particular theory.

To the best of my knowledge humans can walk right up to a wolf's den with pups, the wolves generally choosing discretion as the better part of valor.

Meanwhile there is cut-throat competition within any pack to be an alpha wolf, after all the alpha female will kill any pups that ain't her own so if a wolf wants to meet the biological imperative of reproduction its only chance of doing that is toppling the alpha.

I recall at the wolf research center in Ely, Mn, where they keep a captive wolf pack on display in a large pen (all neutered) their longtime caretaker injured herself out jogging one day and walked into the pen to feed them as she always did, this time with a limp. One of the wolves, observing this, immediately attacked her. It seems that the wolf, observing her physical weakness, immediately launched a gambit to takeover the alpha slot.

To the best of my recollection, in them infamous Yellowstone wolf packs which have been researched forever, the most frequent fate of the alpha wolves is to be eventually killed/driven out by members of their own pack as they get injured and/or older.

However wolves, and hence dogs, do not reach full adult status until two years of age, until that time they appear to be mostly accepting of their subordinate status within the pack.

Dogs of course were bred from wolves by a process of subtraction and selection. Essentially we need our dogs to be retarded wolves, to never reach the full adult mental state of a wolf, so that they don't attack us if we walk in the yard with a limp one day.

Packs DO display group unity and loyalty when cooperating to defend their own territory from other wolf packs or when hunting down and killing solitary intruders that are not members of their pack. Since dogs consider people and dogs to be the same species, we make use of this cooperative territorial defense behavior when our dogs challenge strangers who walk into our yards or break into our houses. Or for that matter when we train 'em to be personal defense dogs whatever the correct term is.

JMHO,

Birdwatcher

Well said, spot on. There are some breeds you dont want to be friends with, along with muzzies and dimocraps. If you have a pit, you better be the boss at all times and the dog better know it.

m stevenson,

By my count there is about 7-8 pages of RANTING MORONS, who IRRATIONALLY fear/hate Pit Bulls, though several admitted that they have NO training as a handler, have never even owned a Pit (or any other working breed) . nor even know anyone who owns a socialized/trained Pit Bull.

What they do have in surplus is lots of ignorant/uneducated/unfounded opinions & irrational hysteria.

Fyi, one of the WORST of the RANTERS (& who is the real "blowhard" on this thread) is also "a several times convicted" petty criminal, who HATES the police even more than he hates/fears police working dogs. = I wonder how many times that he had to be subdued with the help of a K-9 dog??
(A forum member, who is also a serving LEO, knows him & his "rather extensive" criminal offense record.)

Since you've trained dogs & "helped with a bunch more", WHERE/WHEN did you go to any recognized training school for dog handlers or K9 trainers??,
Are you a licensed K-9 officer?
Have you ever owned or trained a Pitt Bull for any lawful purpose??

yours, tex

the girl owned two and they killed and ate her