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If I could have an 8x30/2 with an LRF on board, it's all I'd ever use afield.
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It's been posted many times before that some people's pupil's cannot dialate past 5mm, especially older guys. That negates the need for heavier and bigger glass such as the 7x35, 7x50, etc. Correct, get's worse as one ages too!
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Have a set of Swarovski EL 8.5x42 and Leica 8x32. The 32 is the favorite, but the 42's light-up more. 73 here, but the 42's win the race every time. There is light that hits your pupil then there is light that floods the entire eye. And from here there is a difference. Bigger wins and there is more to it than an increase of .5 in the magnification.
Same here with the Leupold 6x36 vs 6x42 rifle scope. The 42 wins.
Equivalent quality of glass being a given.
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Will 32 do all or nearly all as 42 = NO
Binos are as important as the Rifle is. Binoculars must be easy on eyes so not to tire me for I may spend many hours with a Binoculars to pick a Moose’s ears in a willow thicket at 50 m or Wolves at edge of forest at 1000 m, and to find Animal at long distance when they are most active in low light of early morning and late evening or at night so I know there is an Animal in the area (and this is solo purpose of “early” or “late” glassing), it helps me to find-out it is a Buck or Doe, is the Moose heavily covered with ticks, to find distant tracks in snow, and to examine the land between me and Animal for I have much better chance for a successful stalk if I know ridges and depressions I have to pass.
You was wise enough to choose Leica Binos and to conclude Binos are not a place to save money, so use your smartness to answer your own question with Y/No on above purpose of the Binos.
It is better to hunt with $500 Rifle and $2000 Binocular then vice-versa. NEVER GO HUNTING WIHOUT BINOCULARS. Beside 10x42 I also have Zeiss-ED 10x25 which can be used to just scan the area during bright light.
A little added mass of 200 g (or weight if you like), 560 vs 760 g helps to stabilize the hands. If i needed to remove 200 g from all i carry, to get food for my wife and me, I will remove my underwear much rather than skimp on Binos, or find that 200 g somewhere else. If convenience bothers you due to size, 32 and 42 are not that much different in size (less than 1 inch in length), but you still find a way to carry what you need for your Hunt for that can change your Hunt a lot, not just Binos.
IF YOU ARE IN CONDITION TO GET LEICA 32 OVER 42, GET IT AND CARRY BOTH. The 42 is to use long time glassing, not just at low light, and 32 will make you well tired for same time. You must never regret to carry Binoses. If tired, stop and rest plus glass, and get into better shape. Read above again and think about 10x32, you will need it. But make sure you have Leica uvid 10x42 already.
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OP "... Both feel beautiful in hand. Favoring the ELs for the nod to Swarovski's history of impeccable customer service."
Customer service is not much of help when you need it. You will be far from them... I bought Leica HD-plus and first think I did upon opening the box, was to toss the warranty-card into garbage. That is my experience with many Leica products.
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I have 10x42 Leica Ultravid HD's. Truly phenomenal glass that have served me well since 2011. My favorite glass in the blind.
That said, I won't hike with them anymore. I've gone to 8x32 and 10x32 Zeiss Victory FL's and absolutely love them for spot and stalk. I've glassed with them for hours at a time with no complaints.
x32's for me. Plenty good well into illegal shooting light where I'm at.
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Out West I would use a 10x over an 8X 99 out of 100 days in the field. The one day I wouldn't is after a slight stroke.
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We have a old 8x32 Leica BA that is still a great glass. It still will be 50 years from now, I imagine. Designated birder and all-around glass to grab. The exit pupil (aperture) of 4 is ok for me. And was mentioned above, if my camp is on my back, the 8x32 is the glass that goes. But there is more alpine behind me than ahead of me. Daughter uses a fantastic 8x32 EL for everything and I suppose I could borrow that for an upgrade...:)
Unfortunately it usually takes me a few months of comparing of peer glass side by side to learn them and decide, so walking into a store for a looksee and picking one didn't work so well. Have found use a place for an 8x32, 8.5x42 and 10x56 on the gear list for binos to be worn. Like chainsaws there is that power to weight ratio to ponder, complicated by view attributes and brightness. FWIW, overall, overtime--an EP around 5 seems to be the most effective combination of power, brightness and weight for 90% of the hunting situations, I enjoy. That puts me into heavier glass for a 10x than I may occasionally want to tote, though I always use a Crooked Horn bino harness, even for the 8x32 walking around at home.
But there is a lot to be said for using only one binocular--you never suffer from knowing what advantages another glass can provide...
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Many older guides on Yukon and Alaska use 8x32 or 8x25, or 10x25. It is not because it is more useful than 10x42 over-there. They just know where and when to find some specific animal so no need 10x, and they do not need to glass a "long time" so 25 or 32 is OK. But if a Hunter is not one of above than 10x42 is much more useful.
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But if a Hunter is not one of above than 10x42 is much more useful.
Good grief...
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I like my 10x25 because I can fold them over and fit in my shirt pocket. Traveling light is most enjoyable. A lower power would definitely be easier to look through for an extended time, but the 10x25's are dynamite for getting a closer look at something.
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But if a Hunter is not one of above than 10x42 is much more useful.
Good grief... +1....that's putting it nicely.
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