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It’s MY particular loading druthers, mentioned earlier in the thread. I can and do load. Sometimes I’d rather spend my time grabbing some off the shelf and shooting, when I don’t have time for both. ..................Gotcha............If my dealer has no 6.5/284 ammo when I get started, then I'll order 100 rounds of ammo on line and then use the brass for reloading. The 6.5/284, while not the most common 6.5, ammo and brass is available. It will take some thinking ahead of time.
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Imnotinto 6mm stuff as much due to my 243s which seem ‘blastier’ under 22” than even my bigger stuff. Yes, they kick less, and maybe it’s something others don’t notice, but it seems to add up as fast as recoil in other guns...to me. I hear what you're saying. Perceived recoil is just as much about the blast, as it is about the sensation at the shoulder.
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I own seven 270's and two 7-08's. I consider the 7-08 to be a 270 short and does just as well with the lighter bullets, but the 270 pulls away a tad with heavier bullets. I was seriously considering a 270-08 at one time, but the 7-08 won out due to already being a factory round.
The SA vs LA is not a big deal to me as my edge stocked 270 FWT is plenty light enough for me. I found the Kimber 84L in 270 to be too much of a good thing. But I am not a serious mountain/backpack hunter like some here.
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prefer the penetration of a 140g in 6.5x55, really slippery through the wind also. Swede loves 24” barrel or more and my departed Tikka only had 22”. Just seems the 7mm is better suited in a long action ideally 280 Rem. If I could do it again, the Swede on one of those Sako intermediate actions would be the most perfect medium game/ deer rifle/ varminter all in one, waiting on my Swede on a LH Rem 700 action almost 2 years now, should have it next months 👍
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prefer the penetration of a 140g in 6.5x55, really slippery through the wind also. Swede loves 24” barrel or more and my departed Tikka only had 22”. Just seems the 7mm is better suited in a long action ideally 280 Rem. If I could do it again, the Swede on one of those Sako intermediate actions would be the most perfect medium game/ deer rifle/ varminter all in one, waiting on my Swede on a LH Rem 700 action almost 2 years now, should have it next months 👍
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You have heavies, go lighties....
Seems it's hard to pass on the 6.5 Creed KNOWING that there is stellar ammo on the shelves. But then again, there's pretty good ammo for all of them. Likely the best off the rack for a 270 is 145 ELD and 150 ELD for the 7-08.
So you're back to square one....
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Imnotinto 6mm stuff as much due to my 243s which seem ‘blastier’ under 22” than even my bigger stuff. Yes, they kick less, and maybe it’s something others don’t notice, but it seems to add up as fast as recoil in other guns...to me. I hear what you're saying. Perceived recoil is just as much about the blast, as it is about the sensation at the shoulder. Own and shoot all four of the above. The 6.5 Creedmoor has noticeably less recoil and muzzle blast than the other three. It is much closer to the .243 in felt recoil than 7-08, and has less blast than the ,243 in similar length barrels.
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Deer and hogs with maybe larger... I'd go Creedmoor and not look back.
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Shoots like a 243 and hits like a 7-08? How is it even a question?? I'd so like a 20" 6.5CM. But I swore off buying rifles....really, I did. No, really. Seriously. Very seriously. Like for real.....
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Shoots like a 243 and hits like a 7-08? How is it even a question?? I'd so like a 20" 6.5CM. But I swore off buying rifles....really, I did. No, really. Seriously. Very seriously. Like for real..... Keep on and you’ll convince yourself......maybe ? ? Almost like I almost did. grin
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I have short and long-action rifles. I would go with the 7-08, or 6.5 cm, just because I like short-action rifles better. I have shot lots of deer with my .308s, but they are sitting pretty quiet, since I got my .260 and cm. I have never heard anything bad on the 7-08, but have never shot one. Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one.
Bottom line, pick the rifle that you like and get the caliber that you think will fit your use. No bad choice in the real world.
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Flat trajectory , reasonable recoil, 6.5. I have several 6.5's in 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06, 264Mag .For over 120years the 6.5 in various forms has been taking every size of game on the planet.
I use mine to take large muley's & elk every season. No problem. Now with the extreme durability of the homogeneous copper bullets like the Barnes TSX the 6.5's are even better. I see that Hornady list their 6.5 CM factory load loaded with the 120gr GMX & they state it suitable for game up to 1500Lbs. In Scandinavia the 6.5x55 has been taking moose reliably since it came out at the turn of the 19th century. When you read the history of the 6.5 & it's accomplishments you get a perspective based on in the field results & not emotion. Read the exploits of W.D.M. Bell "Karamojo Bell". How he took numerous elephants & over 400 head of every size of African plains game with the diminutive 6.5MS driving a 160 gr bullet at barely 2300PFS. He averaged 1 1/2 shots per animal. That means many were taken with one shot. Read the history of the 6.5 & understand its ability. This! I have two 6.5x55's T3's for go and a Serengeti 6.5x284 for show. All regularly turn in 3 shots in one hole with their preferred loads.
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Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one. ? ? ? Come by the house and I'll give you a taste of RECOIL. just sayin Jerry
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When I went with a "lower" recoil GP hunting rifle the .280 Rem was an obvious choice. Among others, I already had a heavy-barrel 6.5-06AI and a .257 Roberts, a 7mm RM and a lot of options in .30 caliber. Could have gone for a .270 but already had boxes and boxes of 7mm bullets on the shelf. No regrets.
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Since I fire way more rounds from the bench than i do hunting, and try to limit hunting shots to 300 yards or so, I picked the 6.5 G. FINALLY something i can shoot off the bench for hours without gtting recoil-fatigue (with the 85 - 100 gr. bullets)), and the 123 - 130 gr. will kill deer etc. just fine out to at least as far as I wnt to shoot.
As my friend Bobby Rowark used to say, "Have enough fun."
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The heavier bullet options are what has me looking hard at 708 and 270...This is more specific to deer/antelope sized stuff. Then you don't need heavy bullets.
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The 7mm-08 excites me more than any of the others. Me too.
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In order of best ammo off the shelf, I'd say:
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7-08 and 270 tied...
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308 because it’s the best ever. And if you don’t agree you’re going to hell with the rest of your liberal voting democratic illegal immigrant friends.
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As has been advised: I really don’t need a 308 to kill deer, or the added bullet weight/recoil of common OTC stuff, and I have a 358....which is more efficient, anyway.....at least that’s my current argument. I do already have at least one 308, and will likely build another, on a semi platform....along with possibly a semi 6.5 upper to swap out. Which (when I can), is also an argument against (or for) the 6.5cm in my next hunting bolt gun....if that all makes sense?
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