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I doubt democrats have learned their lesson. What do you think? Will it shut down again? My bet is that it will. Again.
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Yep! GOP to play hardball with Dems on funding billHouse Republicans are moving to pair a full year of defense spending with a short-term measure to avoid a government shutdown on Friday, effectively daring Democrats in the Senate to block it.
Democrats have demanded that any increase in defense spending be matched with increases to nondefense spending. They also want to reach an immigration deal before they agree to a broader deal on lifting the budget spending caps.
But House GOP leadership's decision puts Senate Democrats in an unenviable position.
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Why wouldn't the republicans in the senate simply change the rule from 60 votes to a 51 vote majority, and get on with their business?
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Why wouldn't the republicans in the senate simply change the rule from 60 votes to a 51 vote majority, and get on with their business? This is also a puzzle to me, except that both sides aren't much different.... The 60 vote threshhold is only to stop debate and then call a vote. If you do away with the Cloture Vote (60) really the only thing that happens is they must actually FILLIBUSTER and not just threaten............. They don't want that, either side, because then if they wish to obstruct they must start talking and not quit, and CSPAN will show the Country the azzhats that they are.......... IMHO Somehow the Country managed to get along WITHOUT Senate Rule 19, the Cloture Vote, for nearly 150 years, up until 1917. At that time it took a 2/3s vote to stop debate, that was reduced to 3/5s sometime in the 70s....... I say do away with it, if your passionate, and you think strongly about your position................ start talking! For real, don't just threaten!
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McCain, Flake, Graham, Collins. You never know how they will vote. Need to be tarred and feathered. Hasbeen
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They need to change the law to say any elected federal official or any government employee will not receive any pay during a government shutdown, nor will they receive back pay for that period of time of the shutdown.
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Shut 'er down. Dems will squirm.
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It sure looks like Trump won't be held hostage over DACA on this shutdown.
He had made them the offer to resolve immigration and the Dimmies turned him down.
Looks like this shutdown may last awhile.
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Ryan is avoiding questions. Sumptins up
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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Ryan is avoiding questions. Sumptins up Maybe. Or he could just be not giving them ammo to blame him for the shutdown. MSM is fishing now...
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More spending... http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...heyre-zeroing-in-on-two-year-budget-dealSenate leaders on Tuesday said they are close to a two-year budget deal that could avert a government shutdown and set up a debate on immigration reform next week.
The deal would set spending levels for fiscal 2018 and 2019 and avoid the prospect of a second government shutdown Thursday when a stopgap spending measure expires.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) touted their progress after meeting in McConnell’s office Tuesday morning.
“I’m optimistic that very soon we’ll be able to reach an agreement,” McConnell told reporters, predicting that another shutdown this week is very unlikely.
“I don’t think that’s going to happen,” McConnell said of a possible shutdown. “I think we’re on the way to getting an agreement and on the way to getting an agreement very soon.”
Schumer said he also expected a deal soon that would set higher spending levels for defense and nondefense programs.
“I’m very pleased to report my meeting with Leader McConnell went very well. We’re making real progress on a spending deal that would increase the caps for both military and middle-class priorities on the domestic side that my colleagues have been fighting for.”
Schumer said some “outstanding issues” remain, but stressed he is “very hopeful” for a deal.
Under the proposed deal, the Senate would approve as early as Wednesday a stopgap measure to keep the government open for six weeks. The legislation would also include budgetary ceilings for defense and nondefense spending that reflect the Schumer-McConnell agreement.
Defense spending would be raised more than nondefense spending, breaking the dollar-for-dollar link that Democrats have insisted upon. Lawmakers said the defense-spending budget cap for 2018 likely would be hiked by $80 billion, while the nondefense cap would be hiked by $63 billion. House Republicans plan to vote Tuesday night on a six-week stopgap that also includes a year of defense spending.
The current plan is for the Senate to vote on a stand-alone, yearlong defense appropriations bill as soon as Wednesday.
That vote will fail to reach the 60 votes necessary to end a filibuster, and is intended to demonstrate that the House bill does not have enough votes to pass the Senate, according to a senior Senate aide familiar with internal deliberations.
If Democrats block a bill, McConnell could then amend the House resolution to include the budget caps.
In the House, the deal seems likely to draw opposition from conservative Republicans, though members of the House Freedom Caucus said they needed to review details before taking a position.
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