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I just bought this truck from a VERY CLOSE FRIEND (...to replace the one that I am selling... https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12626973) In that we are friends, it is important for both of us to feel as though the value and price are fair to BOTH OF US (i.e. NEVER screw over a friend!!!). So... please shout out what you think this truck is worth. Don't be shy... I will post the $$$ exchanged in one week. METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED (Mechanically) 1998 Dodge 3500 24 valve with 272k miles. Trans is auto and rebuilt (WAY OVERBUILT on the rebuild... oversized pan etc). AirDog fuel pump/filters to protect the injector pump (100 GPH IIRC). Everything works perfect... AC, Cruise, remote start, alarm, stereo etc. Steering is super tight (2WD). Posi-traction rear. Premium Michelins (LN). On-board air compressor for suspension airbags. Dump and truck will haul 3 tons easy as pie. Frame is PERFECT and rust free. New brakes, brake lines, cables and fluids. Dump is hydraulic Oversized turbo 100+ HP injectors... Full gauges (boost, Turbo temp., trans temp., and fuel pressure.) ZERO smoke. Strong as a bull. Fast as a Camero. So what is "Fair Market Value"??? PLEASE SHOUT OUT HERE!!! No one will be offended (you have my word). ![[Linked Image]](http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1318/13767360/24799191/413770816.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1318/13767360/24799191/413770815.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1318/13767360/24799191/413770818.jpg)
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If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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I have a couple of old Cummins trucks but I'd be guessing. Good trucks though and that's a hard one to find.
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Guess away please... really trying to get a solid feel on value. Thanks
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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A 20 year old 2wd with over a quarter million miles? $4000 maybe?
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Maybe. I'd feel better at $7500 though.
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fast as a camaro
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A 20 year old 2wd with over a quarter million miles? $4000 maybe? Closer to this in my area. The 2WD is a deal killer... And except for landscapers, most folks around here would rather have a flat bed.
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The Cummins motor is still a pup at 250k
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A 20 year old 2wd with over a quarter million miles? $4000 maybe? Closer to this in my area. The 2WD is a deal killer... And except for landscapers, most folks around here would rather have a flat bed. I'd look at it from a ranch/work/fencing truck perspective. I could use a bed like that for untold stuff around here too. If you look at what a decent UTV costs, this truck is pretty cheap. I would prefer 4x4 though.
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The Cummins motor is still a pup at 250k Yes, but what about 272k? I figured the price where I did because of the bed....and I assumed it was an engine driven hydraulic pump. If electric over hydraulic the price comes down accordingly. Pickups you sink a lot of fancy parts in are about as good of an investment as a custom rifle. Never get out what you put in. Some aspects of maintenance will pay you back.....but all the hot rod parts wont.
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From 98 1/2 to 2002 Dodge used that awful Bosch VP44 injection pump in the 24 valve. A total piece of junk.
Here's the reality. All those performance upgrades on that truck are pretty much worthless for resale and don't mean anything. List all the upgrades one wants it still means nothing, because it adds zip to resale. The real meat and potatoes of that truck is the injection pump. Recently I just put the 5th injection pump on my 2000 Dodge Cummins and the part alone was 3k. The big deal is this one had an upgraded module sensor. That's where the money is. If you have a good injection pump that means A LOT.
There's another very negative on that vintage of Cummins motors. It's the #53 block casting. On the rear passenger side and lower portion of block there's a number of the series of block casting on Cummins of this vintage. If it's got an #53 on it its notorious for having cracks on the rear cyclinder/block area (vertical crack) and it will leak anti freeze.
So performance upgrades are a "so-what", and the biggies in this vintage of are the state of the injection pump and making sure you don't end up with an #53 engine block. And if you have steering leaks, slop, and issues then that weak Dodge steering box needs to go and a Ball steering box is a fix for it @ about $500.
Those are the warts of the 98 1/2 to 2002 dodge Cummins and what to really look out for. I've been thru a lot of experiance with this gen of truck.
Now to me that truck if in running condition is maybe 4K if none of the above warts apply.
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From 98 1/2 to 2002 Dodge used that awful Bosch VP44 injection pump in the 24 valve. A total piece of junk.
Here's the reality. All those performance upgrades on that truck are pretty much worthless for resale and don't mean anything. List all the upgrades one wants it still means nothing, because it adds zip to resale. The real meat and potatoes of that truck is the injection pump. Recently I just put the 5th injection pump on my 2000 Dodge Cummins and the part alone was 3k. The big deal is this one had an upgraded module sensor. That's where the money is. If you have a good injection pump that means A LOT.
There's another very negative on that vintage of Cummins motors. It's the #53 block casting. On the rear passenger side and lower portion of block there's a number of the series of block casting on Cummins of this vintage. If it's got an #53 on it its notorious for having cracks on the rear cyclinder/block area (vertical crack) and it will leak anti freeze.
So performance upgrades are a "so-what", and the biggies in this vintage of are the state of the injection pump and making sure you don't end up with an #53 engine block. And if you have steering leaks, slop, and issues then that weak Dodge steering box needs to go and a Ball steering box is a fix for it @ about $500.
Those are the warts of the 98 1/2 to 2002 dodge Cummins and what to really look out for. I've been thru a lot of experiance with this gen of truck.
Now to me that truck if in running condition is maybe 4K if none of the above warts apply. Not a #53 block Steering shaft and gear box were recently replaced. Top shelf parts. Front end is VERY TIGHT. No death wobble (that crap almost killed me once in a 1993). VP44 injection pump is a poor pump for sure, but when a FASS or AirDog system is used their drama ends (so I have experienced). Dump bed was custom built. Hydraulics came from an old grain wagon (it is an oversized ram). Truck can easily carry 3 tons... IMHO the hydraulics would easily push twice that. Thanks for the opinions... PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING!!! I find the price range very interesting. Thanks to all that comment.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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if it was a12 valve it would bring a lot more
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if it was a12 valve it would bring a lot more I thought it was a 12 valve? So it's a 98 & 1/2+? I personally wouldn't want it with the miles and the 2wd, that's why I'm unfamiliar with the value.
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if it was a12 valve it would bring a lot more For what reason? no electronics?
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God bless Texas-----------------------
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but where you put it !!
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From 98 1/2 to 2002 Dodge used that awful Bosch VP44 injection pump in the 24 valve. A total piece of junk.
Here's the reality. All those performance upgrades on that truck are pretty much worthless for resale and don't mean anything. List all the upgrades one wants it still means nothing, because it adds zip to resale. The real meat and potatoes of that truck is the injection pump. Recently I just put the 5th injection pump on my 2000 Dodge Cummins and the part alone was 3k. The big deal is this one had an upgraded module sensor. That's where the money is. If you have a good injection pump that means A LOT.
There's another very negative on that vintage of Cummins motors. It's the #53 block casting. On the rear passenger side and lower portion of block there's a number of the series of block casting on Cummins of this vintage. If it's got an #53 on it its notorious for having cracks on the rear cyclinder/block area (vertical crack) and it will leak anti freeze.
So performance upgrades are a "so-what", and the biggies in this vintage of are the state of the injection pump and making sure you don't end up with an #53 engine block. And if you have steering leaks, slop, and issues then that weak Dodge steering box needs to go and a Ball steering box is a fix for it @ about $500.
Those are the warts of the 98 1/2 to 2002 dodge Cummins and what to really look out for. I've been thru a lot of experiance with this gen of truck.
Now to me that truck if in running condition is maybe 4K if none of the above warts apply. I have a 1999 with 380k miles and I had to replace the injection pump at about 150k and have the trans rebuilt at 250k. That’s been my only major expense. You can buy rebuilt inj pumps for 1200 bucks and cost a couple hundred labor to replace. Trans rebuild runs 1750 now. It sort me 1400 when I had mine done. I had three 12 valves prior to this 24 valve and I wish I still had one of those engines but I still prefer this one over Ford and for damn sure over Chevy. And I’d say 4500 would be a fair price between friends IF you need the dump bed and the 2wd will work for you.
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... I’d say 4500 would be a fair price between friends IF you need the dump bed and the 2wd will work for you. Thanks for speaking up! No question the 12 valves last... 3 years ago I almost bought a mint 1998 4 door (super rare) 12 valve with 940k (it was an Amsoil system truck) from an OCD owner (fixed everything constantly), but at the time I had zero use for a 2WD... so I passed. IIRC it was $7,000 I have owned about 25 Cummins in my life... 4BTs to Commonrail... I almost never buy anything but a 12 valve now a days (currently own 1996 and 1997 4WD 12V). I have had many with 350k to 500k. I NEED a light dump (3 tons is light)... 650s are too big. I will be hauling mountain stone 3-4 hours on the highway to use as building stone... and to sell my the pallet. ![[Linked Image]](http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1318/13767360/24799191/413770911.jpg) I have search everywhere for the past 3 months and found NOTHING (that was not a Ford, Chevy, snow truck (rusted), FUBAR/broken or cost big $$$). Please do a search yourself... I would love some comps. The dump I just bought is in perfect mechanical order. I really appreciate the input on values. I have a 1999 with 380k miles and I had to replace the injection pump at about 150k and have the trans rebuilt at 250k. That’s been my only major expense.
You can buy rebuilt inj pumps for 1200 bucks and cost a couple hundred labor to replace.
Trans rebuild runs 1750 now. It cost me 1400 when I had mine done. Pump price can be a bit less... http://www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/bosch/VP44-stock-pump.htmTrans rebuilds can be a bit more... especially a HD rebuilt 47RE or 47RH
Last edited by CashisKing; 02/11/18. Reason: Typos... as always
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The only downside I see to this truck is the 2wd. These trucks had some weak areas but they have been addressed. The dump bed is not typical but you need it so it has value to you. I paid $8,000 for a 2002 4wd. Dealer had replaced the injection pump and in-tank fuel pump. Transmission has not been rebuilt but is still good. I think the value of that truck would be $6500 to $8000.
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