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I was looking into the Import Permit and it said this.
"A certified copy of a license, permit, authorization or any other documentary proof confirming the lawful possession of the firearm".
The rifles I would take have been in my family for a very long time except a Winchester 300WM that I traded for,for cash and another gun.
And that was 15 years ago.
I don't have any paperwork for any of those rifles,so...
What do I do? I don't need a permit to own anything in Texas when it comes to long guns.
How do I do this?


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Custom Form 4457.
You can get it online, fill it out, then take it and the rifle to the closest CBP office where they will authorize it.
African countries recognize this form as a gun permit.

I would also recommend using a service in South Africa to get your permit there in advance. I used Rifle Permits.com.

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The South Africans and other African countries recognize the US Customs form 4457 for such purposes. You'll have to take your gun(s) to the closest US Customs office to get the form. Do not put more than one gun on each form. Otherwise you might confuse some African official. Keep things as simple as possible.

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+1 on Riflepermits. Made it very easy. They even met me at the City Lodge Hotel the next morning and escorted me to check in for my connecting flight. Money well spent, IMO.


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I agree with the previous comments one of the permit / meet and greet services are well worth the money.

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Hi Bart,

As others have said, get the Customs form and your good to go. Do yourself a huge favor, and partake in what is essentially legal bribery, and hire a meet & greet/gun permit service. You'll breeze right through the airport. We did ours through Gracey Travel. Their guy Bruce was amazing. That was going on 10 years ago so you'll have to get the skinny on who's got their act together now. Also highly recommend booking flights through one of the hunting/gun oriented travel agencies. There was a foulup with our gun transit permits with Lufthansa in Amsterdam, and Gracey rebooked our flights through Paris via Air France on very short notice. Trip went off trouble free. To my surprise, the French were great at the airport with regard to our rifles. No hassles whatsoever.

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Fugg Africa, when you coming to Tennessee?


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I can offer fried catfish, fishing, Gator rides to the bar, shooting, Indian Mounds, Civil War History, endless humor, Milk, and a Korean masseuse with enough forewarning.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Fugg Africa, when you coming to Tennessee?

I'm thinking that I'll head your way this summer. Brady's been working like
a dog and recently changed jobs so he doesn't have any time off but I'll
come up there alone.
Do you dig in those Indian mounds? And Milk? I don't do milk. That stuff is for calves.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I can offer fried catfish, fishing, Gator rides to the bar, shooting, Indian Mounds, Civil War History, endless humor, Milk, and a Korean masseuse with enough forewarning.


I’m down...


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Here's an idea: Forget about South Africa and hunt Namibia.

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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Fugg Africa, when you coming to Tennessee?

I'm thinking that I'll head your way this summer. Brady's been working like
a dog and recently changed jobs so he doesn't have any time off but I'll
come up there alone.
Do you dig in those Indian mounds? And Milk? I don't do milk. That stuff is for calves.



I know, that's why I typed MILK. I assumed I typed cock, following the post after yours.


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The authorities in RSA are not hunter friendly. They run away thousands of potential hunters each year with their stupid SAPS form 520 and changing regulations on the 4457 form. The employees who check your firearms in and out at the airport are sulky and ask for bribes. International hunter numbers to RSA have decreased 55% in the last 10 years and have increased by more than that in Namibia, which welcomes hunters.

Go to Namibia. If you fly through JNB, don't overnight, have your firearms and ammunition checked straight through to Windhoek.

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What are the price differences between SA and Namibia? I'm just doing plains game and I want to shoot as many baboons as I can see.


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They seem about the same to me but airfare will be a bit more.

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I really appreciate all of the replies. Y'all have answered my questions
perfectly so,thanks abunch. Any other input about places to hunt will also be appreciated.
My son and I have been looking forward to this and I hope I get it right.
Money isn't the reason I pick a place,the experience is the most important thing to me.
Thanks again Gang.


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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
What are the price differences between SA and Namibia? I'm just doing plains game and I want to shoot as many baboons as I can see.


Originally Posted by BrotherBart
I really appreciate all of the replies. Y'all have answered my questions
perfectly so,thanks abunch. Any other input about places to hunt will also be appreciated.
My son and I have been looking forward to this and I hope I get it right.
Money isn't the reason I pick a place,the experience is the most important thing to me.
Thanks again Gang.



We offer safaris both in South Africa, and Namibia. I have to say that the Baboons in our area in Namibia are certainly not as skittish as in South Africa. They don't react to bait as well as in South Africa, but give you a bit more chance.


Please feel free to contact me either via PM or email at: infohuntsafaris.co.za and I will be happy to present you with more info on either one of our areas.

Take Care,
Marius Goosen


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Marius,I looked at your website briefly and will have a more detailed look later.
I want a 10 day plains game hunt for my son and I, probably taking 14 animals
between the both of us. We drink but not heavily. I want to shoot as many baboons
as I see. But,I'd like to shoot a big male,alpha if possible. My son Brady just wants to hunt.
He's a great shot and has killed deer and hogs here on our Texas ranch since he was eight.
Africa has been my dream since I started hunting with my Pop when I was a teenager.
I've killed enough deer to fill a couple of big semi truck trailers,so I'm not new to hunting.
I really appreciate your attention on this subject. Thanks abunch...
Bart


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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
Marius,I looked at your website briefly and will have a more detailed look later.
I want a 10 day plains game hunt for my son and I, probably taking 14 animals
between the both of us. We drink but not heavily. I want to shoot as many baboons
as I see. But,I'd like to shoot a big male,alpha if possible. My son Brady just wants to hunt.
He's a great shot and has killed deer and hogs here on our Texas ranch since he was eight.
Africa has been my dream since I started hunting with my Pop when I was a teenager.
I've killed enough deer to fill a couple of big semi truck trailers,so I'm not new to hunting.
I really appreciate your attention on this subject. Thanks abunch...
Bart



Thank you sir. I look forward to hearing from you.


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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
. Any other input about places to hunt will also be appreciated.



I'm not a "regular" here, but have hunted in southern Africa several times now (5 trips ranging from 2-4 weeks; Duiker to Elephant); and FWIW I'd take KMG and Marius into careful consideration if you are looking for an outfitter.

Honest and hardworking immediately come to mind.

Spent a week hunting with him in 2016, and hope to plan another soon.

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