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The 6mm Rem. is one of our favorites for deer hunting. (All taken with 90 gr. Accubond bullets using H380 in both rifles. If we aren't carrying 6mm Rem. rifles then it's most likely going to be the 7mm-08 as our second choice.)

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Your a blessed man and so are those kids! Great pics! Damn good bucks!


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Originally Posted by Proud_Dad
The 6mm Rem. is one of our favorites for deer hunting. (All taken with 90 gr. Accubond bullets using H380 in both rifles. If we aren't carrying 6mm Rem. rifles then it's most likely going to be the 7mm-08 as our second choice.)

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Originally Posted by Shag
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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot

The data I've seen lists about 2 grains difference for optimum powders in both, with those 2 grains producing about 100fps higher speed for the 6. I think it depends on the brass used, as well as which powder you pick. In Wooters's day, what powders did they use in the 243 and 6mm's? 4350? 4831? 760? Our more modern powders do better, which, from the data I've seen, likely explains the 100% discrepancy in working pressure powder differences then and now.


I think you know that published data is just that 'published'.

It has been so many years and I no longer have any of those mags so I can't check it out anymore. I certainly DON'T remember which powder or powders were used.? ?

Since my first answer this AM, I am pretty sure it was JRS that did the testing. He may not have been the only one.

I have and had used the 243 much more than the 6 mm UNTIL I got my Model Six 6mm Rem. Also I MOSTLY used 100 gr bullets and I used mostly 4350 and H 4831 (Old Production). I didn't have ANY pressure testing equipment BUT I had my Oehler 33.

Working up load in the [/b]"traditional" [b] way, I found the 6mm R would take 1 MORE grain of the same powder using the same bullet and the velocities were A LITTLE higher---but not enough to make any diff.


*** Yes, today we have MORE new powders so that alone could make a real difference.
and that 100% difference is 1 grain of powder. grin ->-> 1 grain vs 2 grains.

MY point is there is NOT ENUFF difference in the performance of the 243 and 6mm Rem to make ANY noticeable difference hunting.

**** The 6mm Rem case is better because of design in reducing Throat erosion.

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Originally Posted by Shag
Your a blessed man and so are those kids! Great pics! Damn good bucks!


Thanks, Shag. Lucky to have a couple of good places to hunt and blessed with a wife and kids that enjoy hunting with me. One of our favorite places to hunt is back in a pasture overlooking a thick draw, so it works well to set the rifles up on bipods and shoot from the prone position. The light recoil of the 6mm Rem. (especially in varmint rifles) allows the kids to get in plenty of practice at the range to have confidence when they get their chance to put meat in the freezer. My wife did her part putting meat on the table with the 6mm Rem. this year, too.

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Three deer have gone down to my son's ruger 77 tanger, two with 95 grain partitions and one with a Hornady 100 grain flat base. No tracking was needed!

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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot

The data I've seen lists about 2 grains difference for optimum powders in both, with those 2 grains producing about 100fps higher speed for the 6. I think it depends on the brass used, as well as which powder you pick. In Wooters's day, what powders did they use in the 243 and 6mm's? 4350? 4831? 760? Our more modern powders do better, which, from the data I've seen, likely explains the 100% discrepancy in working pressure powder differences then and now.


I think you know that published data is just that 'published'.

It has been so many years and I no longer have any of those mags so I can't check it out anymore. I certainly DON'T remember which powder or powders were used.? ?

Since my first answer this AM, I am pretty sure it was JRS that did the testing. He may not have been the only one.

I have and had used the 243 much more than the 6 mm UNTIL I got my Model Six 6mm Rem. Also I MOSTLY used 100 gr bullets and I used mostly 4350 and H 4831 (Old Production). I didn't have ANY pressure testing equipment BUT I had my Oehler 33.

Working up load in the [/b]"traditional" [b] way, I found the 6mm R would take 1 MORE grain of the same powder using the same bullet and the velocities were A LITTLE higher---but not enough to make any diff.


*** Yes, today we have MORE new powders so that alone could make a real difference.
and that 100% difference is 1 grain of powder. grin ->-> 1 grain vs 2 grains.

MY point is there is NOT ENUFF difference in the performance of the 243 and 6mm Rem to make ANY noticeable difference hunting.

**** The 6mm Rem case is better because of design in reducing Throat erosion.

Jerry

I agree with your assertions, Jerry. In factory bbls, with factory twists, and factory spec magazines, etc, you're not going to find enough difference between them to amount to a dead vs wounded animal, or a hit vs missed animal, or a barrel shot out vs one still shooting in top form when hunting with them.


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Originally Posted by Autofive
Three deer have gone down to my son's ruger 77 tanger, two with 95 grain partitions and one with a Hornady 100 grain flat base. No tracking was needed!


We haven't tried the Hornady bullets in 6mm, but have used and would agree the 95 gr. partitions are great bullets for deer, too. Find what the rifle likes and take those 6mm's hunting!


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The data I've seen lists about 2 grains difference for optimum powders in both, with those 2 grains producing about 100fps higher speed for the 6. I think it depends on the brass used, as well as which powder you pick. In Wooters's day, what powders did they use in the 243 and 6mm's? 4350? 4831? 760? Our more modern powders do better, which, from the data I've seen, likely explains the 100% discrepancy in working pressure powder differences then and now.


I think you know that published data is just that 'published'.

It has been so many years and I no longer have any of those mags so I can't check it out anymore. I certainly DON'T remember which powder or powders were used.? ?

Since my first answer this AM, I am pretty sure it was JRS that did the testing. He may not have been the only one.

I have and had used the 243 much more than the 6 mm UNTIL I got my Model Six 6mm Rem. Also I MOSTLY used 100 gr bullets and I used mostly 4350 and H 4831 (Old Production). I didn't have ANY pressure testing equipment BUT I had my Oehler 33.

Working up load in the [/b]"traditional" [b] way, I found the 6mm R would take 1 MORE grain of the same powder using the same bullet and the velocities were A LITTLE higher---but not enough to make any diff.


*** Yes, today we have MORE new powders so that alone could make a real difference.
and that 100% difference is 1 grain of powder. grin ->-> 1 grain vs 2 grains.

MY point is there is NOT ENUFF difference in the performance of the 243 and 6mm Rem to make ANY noticeable difference hunting.

**** The 6mm Rem case is better because of design in reducing Throat erosion.

Jerry

I agree with your assertions, Jerry. In factory bbls, with factory twists, and factory spec magazines, etc, you're not going to find enough difference between them to amount to a dead vs wounded animal, or a hit vs missed animal, or a barrel shot out vs one still shooting in top form when hunting with them.


+1 - Deer will never know the difference between the two. I will be the first to admit I have limited experience with the .243 Win. for deer hunting. Our son shot his first deer several years ago using a Ruger 77 .243 youth rifle shooting reduced-recoil loads using the 90 gr. Accubond and 25.5 gr. of SR4759. Not a load for 150+ yards, but the buck he shot with it (85 yards) went less than 10 yards and was down. I have some full-power loads put together using H380 that shoot well in that rifle, but haven't hunted with them yet. .Brass is easier to find for the .243 Win., but beyond that I don't think there's enough difference to give one a big advantage over the other.

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A wonderful white tail round. I stepped up to a 240 Weatherby though for mule deer.


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First off - Congrats to ALL !

Boy is that one FAT and HEALTHY in this pic.
Tell her I'm jealous. I think that buck was suicidal. whistle grin

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HuntnShoot,

The difference in loading data/velocity for the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington is mostly due to the differences in the maximum SAAMI pressure. The .243's is 60,000 PSI, the 6mm's 65,000.


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HuntnShoot,

The difference in loading data/velocity for the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington is mostly due to the differences in the maximum SAAMI pressure. The .243's is 60,000 PSI, the 6mm's 65,000.

Thanks, John.


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Originally Posted by jwall
First off - Congrats to ALL !

Boy is that one FAT and HEALTHY in this pic.
Tell her I'm jealous. I think that buck was suicidal. whistle grin

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Will do, Jerry. Yes, it was a very healthy buck. I still give Grace a hard time about this one as less than 30 seconds before she shot this buck she had shot a doe, then this nice buck ran out of the trees and stopped quartering away at 245 yards...did she offer to move out from behind the rifle/bipod to give me the shot?? Glad she didn't as I wouldn't have gotten to see that smile! smile


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My daughter got a Black Bear with her 6mm Rem this past Fall. I am loading 80gr TTSX's over 47.5 grs IMR4350 @ 3375 fps. Rifle is a mid 60's Rem 700 BDL

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First off - Congrats to ALL !

Boy is that one FAT and HEALTHY in this pic.
Tell her I'm jealous. I think that buck was suicidal. whistle grin
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Will do, Jerry..... then this nice [/b]buck ran out of the trees and stopped quartering away at 245 yards[b]...


YEP - suicidal laugh laugh


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Sako - Tell her I said, "VERY NICE", I haven't killed a bear YET.

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Love all the awesome pictures on this thread!!

A few years ago I took a bunch of mauser actions to a friend/gunsmith. in a stroke of good fortune he had a takeoff 6mm barrel from a new Remington 700 from another customer project. he re-threaded it and put it on a turk 1903 action that I had- turned out to be a very accurate shooter and very comfortable ' first-timer' rifle for my nephews

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I have two. A Ruger No. 1B and a Win. 70 Fwt. I load old school for the No. 1 (105g Speer SP) and the early Barnes 90g XFB for the 70. I'm well stocked for both. Both work well on deer, pigs and coyotes.


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