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Yes or no what? Wtf is wrong with you?
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Never in person, but then again I'm not so sure why I"m getting on a thread like this either.
But in PM, posts, and emails I"ve never had a single bad experience or anything that would lead me to think so or bad of Ken.
Sometimes I wonder if its not simply the fact that he was or came across as religious and for some reason that irritates the ones that don't believe, which I simply don't understand.
And yes I know its not directed to me... I saw Ken Howell be a blatantly condescending, sanctimonious, mean spirited prick to many people on here many times. He reminded me much of my paternal grandfather, who was also a mean spirited, condescending little prick. I never could stand him either. Men don't suddenly become better men and deserving of respect and reverence just because they die. Hell, everybody does that.
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Yes or no what? Wtf is wrong with you? Just walk away, The stink around here has nothing to do with Ken Howell. There's just one or two here who are trying to deflect.
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I had many visits with Ken... first at the hospital here where he was airlifted, then at the nursing home, then a few times a year at his house where I'd drive 4 hours and arrive in the afternoon, visit till late at night, crash in a back room, visit a bit in the morning and head out early.
Socially we had a lot in common, Welch/Cherokee, grew up in what I call 'dirt', no city streets to play in... dirt, fields, groves.
A chitload we didn't share... I'm much more a hunter, I've shot 10s of thousands of rounds, reload and such, but to hunt. I don't shoot for fun or competition, not even at the gatherings I help put on. And any technical interests I have is archery. I've never read an article, or book or anything gun related by Ken or any other 'gun writer' ever.
I didn't know Ken from Adam when I first met him and he laughed when I told him that as he was introduced as a famous gun writer. I just knew there was an old man that was in a bad place, alone and far from home with no friendly face or someone to advocate for him against the uncaring nursing home world.
When finally leaving the nursing home Ken insisted I take one of his few remaining Blue books which he signed. I did because it made him happy. One of our former members here came to visit Ken at the nursing home before she went into the marines, I had dinner with her later and she is an upstanding person. When she graduated the marines I gave her Ken's book as a gift, she would appreciate it as she had mentioned wanting one. So the circle of life goes.
Ken was frustrated with me about my belief in Christ's life example plus the Holy Spirit as my link to God... and my disbelief of man's religion and Paul's speaking for Christ. I know at times he was really frustrated but never did he get disrespectful even in debate. I think he was honestly confused that others would be offended when he put forth his understanding of the bible and religion. As with me he would listen then disagree on a point, I would listen and disagree on a point, he would counter as would I. In the end we would understand each other better, still not agree totally but have a better respect for the other's view and smile it away.
Ken said that's how debate should be and why do folks get upset with me for stating my truth and debating.
Because lots of folks get offended at the first negative word and can't rationalize the discussion.
Early on I was listening to Ken, now he was late 70s early 80s, had a stroke years earlier, couldn't swallow so could only talk a sentence or so before spitting and clearing his throat, everyone who has visited with him knows this immediately... Now I'm a good listener but one time he stopped at a point I thought he wanted a response so I started to talk. He held up his hand and wheezed 'let me finish' frustrated like.
Now if I was a self-absorbed kind of person that as soon as someone starts a story, I think of a similar one of my own and break in before the first person is finished... I'd be offended if I was told to hold on and let me finish. I know a bunch of people like that and they irk the chit out of me.
Sitting there I could see Ken's frustration wasn't at me for interrupting, it was at himself and his condition where he couldn't communicate the way he wanted to. As soon as he finished his point he would wait for my response, listen and re'respond or not.
He told me once he wished it was like the indian tribe method of the talking stick... the one holding the stick talked then passed it on when done so the next person could talk.
His frustration of communication was evident, he was truly sad folks were so offended by it, he considered it his fault.
Anyone offended over the mannerisms and speech limitations of and 80 year old stroke ridden man who just wants to still have human contact. be relevent and intelligent interaction until they die is self absorbed.
Complaining about it on the internet is childish.
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It actually bothered Ken that he may have offended someone... me I don't give a chit, if I offended someone... good...
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You are ALL fulla S H I T !
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Yes or no what? Wtf is wrong with you? Nothing, answer my question.
---------------------------------------- I'm a big fan of the courtesy flush.
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Nothing surprising about this thread. Carry on.
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I don't know who the hell Ken Howell is or was, but this thread was much more amusing before everybody sobered up.
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Looks like the children are at the keyboard again.
This crap is getting old, fast.
There is no way to coexist no matter how many bumper stickers there are on Subaru bumpers!
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I don't know who the hell Ken Howell is or was, but this thread was much more amusing before everybody sobered up. I'm with you. Or at least, I never knew him on the web anyway. But for sure, people here are be expertly trolled and they do seem to be lovin' it. Pretty hilarious, what passes for worthwhile conversation on this site.
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Nothing surprising about this thread. Sad but true.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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You have to admit, Scott starts some pretty epic threads.........
Paul
"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards.
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Never in person, but then again I'm not so sure why I"m getting on a thread like this either.
But in PM, posts, and emails I"ve never had a single bad experience or anything that would lead me to think so or bad of Ken.
Sometimes I wonder if its not simply the fact that he was or came across as religious and for some reason that irritates the ones that don't believe, which I simply don't understand.
And yes I know its not directed to me... I saw Ken Howell be a blatantly condescending, sanctimonious, mean spirited prick to many people on here many times. He reminded me much of my paternal grandfather, who was also a mean spirited, condescending little prick. I never could stand him either. Men don't suddenly become better men and deserving of respect and reverence just because they die. Hell, everybody does that. Again, interesting, sometimes I think that folks that somehow challenge folks that think they are superior are the issue or can be. Simply being challenged is an issue to some. We do know there are plenty of azzholes around too. Just that some think this one is, and that one ain't and others vice versa. Winter doldrums...there is better stuff we can talk about than beating down a dead man, regardless of your opinions.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I had many visits with Ken... first at the hospital here where he was airlifted, then at the nursing home, then a few times a year at his house where I'd drive 4 hours and arrive in the afternoon, visit till late at night, crash in a back room, visit a bit in the morning and head out early.
Socially we had a lot in common, Welch/Cherokee, grew up in what I call 'dirt', no city streets to play in... dirt, fields, groves.
A chitload we didn't share... I'm much more a hunter, I've shot 10s of thousands of rounds, reload and such, but to hunt. I don't shoot for fun or competition, not even at the gatherings I help put on. And any technical interests I have is archery. I've never read an article, or book or anything gun related by Ken or any other 'gun writer' ever.
I didn't know Ken from Adam when I first met him and he laughed when I told him that as he was introduced as a famous gun writer. I just knew there was an old man that was in a bad place, alone and far from home with no friendly face or someone to advocate for him against the uncaring nursing home world.
When finally leaving the nursing home Ken insisted I take one of his few remaining Blue books which he signed. I did because it made him happy. One of our former members here came to visit Ken at the nursing home before she went into the marines, I had dinner with her later and she is an upstanding person. When she graduated the marines I gave her Ken's book as a gift, she would appreciate it as she had mentioned wanting one. So the circle of life goes.
Ken was frustrated with me about my belief in Christ's life example plus the Holy Spirit as my link to God... and my disbelief of man's religion and Paul's speaking for Christ. I know at times he was really frustrated but never did he get disrespectful even in debate. I think he was honestly confused that others would be offended when he put forth his understanding of the bible and religion. As with me he would listen then disagree on a point, I would listen and disagree on a point, he would counter as would I. In the end we would understand each other better, still not agree totally but have a better respect for the other's view and smile it away.
Ken said that's how debate should be and why do folks get upset with me for stating my truth and debating.
Because lots of folks get offended at the first negative word and can't rationalize the discussion.
Early on I was listening to Ken, now he was late 70s early 80s, had a stroke years earlier, couldn't swallow so could only talk a sentence or so before spitting and clearing his throat, everyone who has visited with him knows this immediately... Now I'm a good listener but one time he stopped at a point I thought he wanted a response so I started to talk. He held up his hand and wheezed 'let me finish' frustrated like.
Now if I was a self-absorbed kind of person that as soon as someone starts a story, I think of a similar one of my own and break in before the first person is finished... I'd be offended if I was told to hold on and let me finish. I know a bunch of people like that and they irk the chit out of me.
Sitting there I could see Ken's frustration wasn't at me for interrupting, it was at himself and his condition where he couldn't communicate the way he wanted to. As soon as he finished his point he would wait for my response, listen and re'respond or not.
He told me once he wished it was like the indian tribe method of the talking stick... the one holding the stick talked then passed it on when done so the next person could talk.
His frustration of communication was evident, he was truly sad folks were so offended by it, he considered it his fault.
Anyone offended over the mannerisms and speech limitations of and 80 year old stroke ridden man who just wants to still have human contact. be relevent and intelligent interaction until they die is self absorbed.
Complaining about it on the internet is childish.
Kent That’s much too good a post for this crappy thread, Amigo.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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.there is better stuff we can talk about than beating down a dead man, regardless of your opinions.
Not on this forum. I'd be surprised if another dead man thread doesn't start up soon. He was at least as controversial as this guy and there seems to be a lot of stuff being kept in the closet about him.
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I agree Gene. For those that don't Kent, He has His head on very straight. miles
Look out for number 1, don't step in number 2.
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Nothing surprising about this thread. Sad but true. Just another episode of “as the fire burns”.
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Nothing surprising about this thread. Sad but true. Just another episode of “as the fire burns”. In more ways than one.
Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!
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Kent - an accurate and kind-hearted post for sure, and curdog is again correct.
Two simple questions:
Bart - what are your criteria for hours of face time and breadth/depth of experience with Ken - to qualify some other fellow figuratively to tear off your shirt and pull down your pants for exposition of your shortcomings to the Campfire world??
Steelhead - what is the reason for your having done this?
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