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Then worry about guys spending money on football games and bass boats, there’s a heck of a lot more money wasted by people of child rearing age on those than there is at casinos which are almost all old folks.

Before my parents died they visited casinos at least twice a week, it gave them a lot of joy and something to do in their old age. My dad was a Tennessee farm boy that went into the marine corps at 18 without a dime to his name, by the time he died he was a multi-millionaire small businessman. If he and my mom wanted to spend some of it on something they enjoyed it’s their business, not mine or yours.

I dont care what people spend their fun money on, the ones i speak of look to be the product of at least 200 years of straight inbreeding, bet you have plenty out your way too, using money YOU earned after the kids and bills are taken care of doesn't bother me a bit, if dummies wanna go flush it in a casino chitter that's certainly their business.

If I had money I wanted to give away I'd send it to St. Jude's instead of standing in front of an electronic box punching buttons eating fake cheese nachos in a smokey room trying to avoid COPD.

I won't even buy a gallon of gas from the damn tribe. Those fuggers have every Dem in the state bought and paid for. [bleep] they pizz me off. I've seen totes of salmon left to rot, derelict gear left drifting killing all kinds of fish, they shoot the [bleep] out of the elk and deer herds.

Stupid fuggers just line up to pay them to do it. I do give a shict what folks spend their money on when it directly and negatively impacts me.


Treaties should all be rescinded and George Boldt should be dug up, shot, and hung.

Yup, and had we not came here, they'd still be chitting outside a damn tee-pee and flinging sticks at dinner, they are/were not industrious inventive people, I can say that too, my sorry ass is crossbred Scotch-Irish and Missouri Osage Indian.

Nah, gunner, the Aztecs would have moved north and fed the Plains tribes hearts to Quetzalcoatl.

Elizabeth Warren would be the "go to expert" on all tribal questions...

Yeah, she remembers the medicine man catching running water is her hands and dragging her around by her head band!

One of my college friends runs an equity fund that just caters to Indian Gambling Reservation Tribal groups. He lives in Oklahoma but has houses all over the world. He is half Cherokee and won a Rhodes Scholarship. He hunts on several farms that he owns in Oklahoma just for deer. He has a private jet that he takes tribal members from different tribes to his chateau in France. He says that he can't get them to invest worth a squat unless he gets them out of the country and wines and dines them. His firm hosts the World Fried Bread Championships that are held in Tulsa. I think his main house in Tulsa can seat 350 people in the grand dining room and is over 30,000 cu. ft. He is a nice guy but he lives in a world where its not what you know but who you know and how you apply leverage.

He runs mighty close to a lot of the entitled Bush, Kerry, Kennedy entitled families. I think that a lot of the Indian Casinos may provide some money to their tribes but most of the money is pulled by those at the top.

In case anyone thinks I am a racist......I hate casinos owned by the white devil too.

Yep. And you still see it today. The SS casino sure doesn't seem to be benefiting the White Earth tribe as a whole, that is for sure.

It's the Indians way of getting back at the white man.

And a lot of hangers on claiming Native American Heritage so they can get a split of the profits. We obviously have more Indians in Louisiana than any other state in the Union. But what Smokepole said is true.

Casinos are actually a voluntary tax.

I know that several around here do use the money to better their communities and are generous with the local non tribal communities donating to youth sports and other things. That money also funds a lot of powerful lawyers and politicians and they’re taking over. I see tribal cops pulling people over on the (federal) hiway. I told my wife that there’s no way in hell I’m pulling over for a tribal cop unless I’m on the reservation. We have no control over the corruption in tribal politics and as such have no venue to air my grievances just as they have no jurisdiction as they’re a sovereign nation on their reservation and separate from mine, the one at which their jurisdiction ends and mine begins. The local head law enforcement was stealing kickers, crab pots, crab, cash, electronics, etc all under the cover of his tribal badge and tribal politics. He was found guilty eventually.

The free money doesn’t work when they hand out their $$$$$ annual checks to each and every tribal member. Drugs and alcohol along with sexual abuse and domestic abuse is rampant. The money hasn’t bought them out of poverty, it’s brought them into massive social breakdown.

You just can’t give everyone a lot of money and expect they’ll use it to their benefit. The money they’re given has been what’s accelerated their descent. The money has made money for the tribal heads, chiefs and their families.

Our Choctaw headquarters in Durant and new hospital are state of the art. Another nice hospital is in Talihina. We also have several clinics around SE Okla. All are very clean and well maintained.

http://www.durantok.com/choctaw-casino/ Excellent food and entertainment. 7 more casinos are in the Choctaw Nation.
8 hospital and clinics are available.
You can see the new 500,000' headquarters being built. https://www.lithko.com/projects/off...klahoma-headquarters-and-parking-garage/
It is very close to completion. Several industries are on the property in Durant that employee many people. I believe we have 200,000 enrolled natives with proven blood.
If you have the chance to tour the hospitals, clinics, hotels, or casinos I think you would be impressed with the cleanliness and very friendly people.
I can't speak of other Indian Nations facilities.
Oh, We get no money allotments. The money is plowed back into services for the people.

No, you don't. At least not like back in the 50s and 60s when they were still hauling kids off to the boarding schools. I spent a few days on White Earth a year or so back and the difference was really surprising. Places like Ponsford are nothing like what they used to be.

They may well have a lot of problems left to solve, there may be a pretty high level of chemical dependency, but life in general has gotten a lot better for them. A lot better.

Personally, I look at it like this: They are have problems learning to manage money. Not surprising at all when you look at the whites who never had a pot to piss in coming into a lot of money that they did not have to invest a lifetime of work to obtain. With a couple hundred generations of living a day to day subsistence life and then in one generation it all changes it would be surprising as hell if they didn't have a lot of problems.

Thanks for your reply. I feel the tribal members up in the Mille Lacs area have a sustainable source of income in the casino operations there. Their netting of walleyes on Mille Lacs is not necessary for their survival, and it's time it stopped. The walleye population has plunged, and it's happened while they continue to net the lake.

Ron relates what mostly is a success story. Wish it were so in all tribal casino cases. The Yavapai tribe in Prescott (Apache links) has its reserve right smack in the community and it borders on the campus of a college where I worked. The college enjoyed a fine relationship with the tribe due to good tribal leadership and our efforts with students from the tribe and our willingness to engage issues important to the tribe in general. During all of my years there I enjoyed such endeavors with the Chieftess of the tribe - Pat. We visited and planned often and she was an excellent person held in esteem by her tribe. Along with some community leaders, I devoted quite a bit of time supporting development of extensive business/commercial venues on tribal land. Those have been VERY well-run and successful for the tribe.

While planning to build the Sheraton Hotel on a high bluff on the reserve, we created a training program so that members of the tribe could do a good job running the hotel and so that many tribal members could have good jobs there. It worked. And, as the hotel was built, wiring provisions for gambling were included. Indian casino gambling was coming on strong in AZ at that time but Pat did not want her tribe involved in heavy gambling (they did have a Bingo parlor) and the other tribal people honored her stand. Once her time and life passed, the tribe has done a pretty good job of running the casino and using it for the good of the tribe and community.

Not always the case with those casinos. And, up in Washington State, it looks like the opportunity for such lucrative ventures has led to the re-formation of many tribes not heard of for a century - if ever. I marvel at some of those new tribal names.

Never seen the red man dealing blackjack yet, and I've been in a few Indian Casinos. In fact the worst gutting I ever took was in an Indian casino, I think my bud and I dropped twenty hands straight it was brutal. After ten we decided to stay with it to see how bad it could be, by number twenty we were crying with laughter and the dealer looked scared of us.

Their claim to the rights to the fish in all of the lakes in East Central Minnesota supersedes ours. It comes from a legal agreement we made to get their land. Do they need to net the lake? Probably not. Are they responsible for the walleye decline? According to the info I have seen, also probably not. If they were to net the last walleye out of the lake we'd have no bitch coming. It's the deal we made. The 1837 treaty is what covers Mille Lacs and ECM It covers the land from roughly Forest Lake over to St Cloud up to Brainerd the over to Danbury. It moved them onto a small piece of land on the SW corner of Mille Lacs. There are a few other pieces of reservation lands like next to the Kettle on Highway 48 and North of 48 along the St Croix within the 1837 treaty area. I am not familiar with all of them. If they chose to do so, they could legally net the bejesus out of all of the lakes from Forest lake to North of Hinckley and over to Brainerd. They do not need our permission or approval. Nor does it have anything to do with their survival. It is their resource to come and use as they choose to or not. Personally, I have taken literally tons of fish out of those lakes over my life. Mille Lacs itself has had a number of ups and downs prior to their exercising of their rights. During the 70s and 80s it was commonly referred to as the dead sea.

Lastly, there is general consensus that netting is not the cause of the decline. Mille Lacs walleyes are still producing plenty of fry. The fry just are not surviving to catching/netting size.