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Exactly - I would bet on a guy like Hickok45 (a school teacher by profession) against any punk with an AR-15 any day. The big advantage of a rifle is range and at room/ hallway distances that advantage isn't as critical. I'm sure there's more than a few teachers/ school staff that compete in the shooting sports and would gladly take on the training and responsibility if the school board would let them. I disagree with the gun safes in the classroom. The weapons should be on the person concealed for the entire shift.

I'll admit I was being a bit flip about it, but still, where was all the ADHD when I was in school?

How would the shooter know which teacher had a "concealed" gun? I have no doubt that if I was a teacher that was armed with a drawn 9mm pistol and you came around a corner I could shoot you before you could raise your AR-15 and point it at me.

TFF.....I’m sorry but that’s about the dumbest, most ass backwards logic you could use. You’d prefer to take a chance on a murderer on a murderous rampage not shooting your kid on purpose over having a CCW carrying citizen engage the shooter because your kid might get hit by accident by the CCW . 🙄

That’s liberal gobbledygook if I’ve ever seen it. If that was a joke then you got me because I lol’d.

Kid's weren't required to take multiple vaccines that contained poisonous preservatives like mercury and aluminum back then. One good swat with a wooden paddle was usually enough to end the bad behavior of most kids including myself.

No Ace,

He really is that stupid.

Seems to me like everyone nixing the idea of armed teachers are also nixing the idea os civilians with CCW permits. Why the difference between Joe Plumber the civilian and Mr Simith the teacher. I'm sure most teachers would rather not carry, but for those that would, given strict LE training why not let them?

Trap, hope ya didn't take the post wrong. I along with ya would wish they would all carry. And I may be throwing a big loop. When it comes to teachers. But the overwhelming majority are union thugs. That don't have the same feelings most on here do. As a collective they will have to do much for me to respect them. Sorry to the ones out side the loop. And Godspeed to you and yours.







Take care, Willie

Yep. Lots of rainbow snowflakes in the teaching ranks. But it only takes one salty dog or tough old broad to square up one of those little pups. You will find one in every building and I bet, I just bet that they are the most well liked and respected teacher in each building.

Just the presence of armed response could be enough deterrent. School shooters don't want to fight their way in.





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What's the time period? I started Kindergarten in 1970 and took a number of vaccines throughout my childhood.

In fact, that's what Utah law requires, i.e., it prohibits storing in locked containers. The guns are required to be concealed on the person of the staff member while on school property, and administrators are prohibited from asking staff if they are carrying a firearm.

+1

Such 'professionals' should know what they are doing, but its been proven time and time again
its a crapshoot as whether they actually do.

A competently armed on the spot school staff member even without such 'pro level skills' could still potentially
dissuade a perp from continuing (or starting) his destructive rampage....and it may take a lot less than
spraying 30 rounds from a Glock to do so.

Consider that critical seconds and ASAP responses can count toward saving lives.
... it may not always require killing the prep....or always require jackboot SWAT or Delta Force skills.





Well then,..Those LE/military minds that are to be given the responsibilty of 'appropriate training' better be very select,
you only have to see how hopeless and inept some specialist anti-terror trained LE are on the job now.

Only read op .

The OPORTUNITY ( with appropriate training) for teachers to go armed would bring uncertainty to many would be shooters in that the school would no longer be an absolutely known “soft target”. They (some anyway) would go elsewhere. Ain’t a lot of police stations or gun stores get hit.

Would it reduce the number of school shootings? I think so. Would it reduce the overall number of mass shootings? Probably not by much, if any.

Lunch is over - gotta go

Your next to last sentence says it all. School teachers, by and large came out of a life of academia and stayed in the same life/work style. Many that I've known over the years would scare the schittt out of me did I know they were armed at all. I mean no dis-respect to teachers but for many of them, the real world was never a part of their life's agenda.
Let the flaming start!

You are at an event with your family. There are a lot of people there. Some kid walks in and starts shooting folks with an AR.

Would you rather:
1) Hide under your chair wondering how long it will be before he shoots you.
2) Bum rush him and hope for the best.
3) Know that you, and likely several other folks scattered about are armed and able to return fire. ???

I do not like the way our kids are mandated by government to be herded into a building, protected only by a "no guns allowed" sign.
Many folks here have stated in the past that they won't go in a movie theater, restaurant, or store if they aren't allowed to be armed, yet send their kids off everyday to a similar place.
I'm not advocating arming children, but teachers are adults, and should have the same rights to protect themselves as I do. The fact my child may benefit from this is a great bonus.
If your kid has a teacher you wouldn't want around your kid with a firearm, you need to work to get rid of that teacher.
All teachers would not want to carry, and that is fine. I would like for them to make that decision for themselves.

I'll see if I can find out. I read that kid's today get 38 shots before age 1 1/2. I think they have finally removed mercury from most the vaccines they give kids now. One of my Grandsons got one shot containing several vaccines when he was a toddler and he almost died. He was in intensive care for a long time and they thought he had meningitis. I started school in 1950 and the only vaccines we were given were for polio twice (a drop on the tongue) and small pox twice (a drop on your arm that they scratched with a needle). After the 1st small pox vaccine you got big nasty sore on your arm about the size of a nickel. If you didn't get a reaction when you got the 2nd small pox vaccine a few years later they figured you were immune. This was all done in elementary school by a nurse.

Victoro,

I have 6 kids. They don't get any were near that many shots.

We've erraticed small pox, so we they no longer vaccinate for it.

Must be a different world up in Wyoming, all the schools around have have full-time LEO's.

26,000 plus public high schools in America, The odds are still astronomically small that this will happen at any given school. I myself got my CHL when they first arrived, 1995 in Texas, going on 23 years ago.

I would love to know how many teachers in Utah are packing, but the bottom line is that some are and there have been as yet no problems.

My concerns center on 1) AD's, 2) forgetting a handgun somewhere, and 3) inadvertently dropping or losing possession of the handgun. This even happens to trained professionals.

I would insist on the Isaeli policy: You'll note that all those rifles over there are carried empty chamber, magazines carried attached to the rifle but not in the magazine wells.. Likewise semi-auto pistols are carried with an empty chamber, a practice which doubtless lowers the the incidence of ADs. In Israeli practice the slide is racked while the handgun is being presented. Another plus is that if a high school kid did get their hands on it, most would not know to rack the slide. And especially on those where an applied safety locks the slide, almost none would know to disengage the safety and then rack the slide.

To avoid handguns left in restrooms or on teacher's desks I would mandate that the handgun and holster cannot ever be detached from the teacher's clothing on school property, even when using the restroom.

Times when I have even felt like I needed a handgun at school over the past 30 years = 0.

Times when I have been on the floor breaking up fights, or in the middle of a fight breaking it up, or obstructing an agitated student from getting in a fight = oh, I dunno, maybe 20? 30? 40? (one time I was on the ground out in the parking lot with a parent who had come on campus to help beat up someone else's kid ).

I would mandate retention holsters of some kind even for concealed carry so the handgun doesn't go spinning off across the hallway amid all those students' feet at some point.

Times when I have pushed through packed hallways jammed with kids = maybe not actually every day depending on my movements around school, but at least a few times a week.

Forget the part about "concealed carry being an absolute secret" or whatever. Unless its a mousegun completely obscured in a pocket holster, eventually the the kids WILL spot it printing on clothing. Actually it doesn't matter at all if they do. Wouldn't even bother me if the teachers packed openly, so long as the handgun was secure in a retention holster. See, if it is both stupid and possible, eventually a teenager will attempt it, this is an immutable law of teenage behavior. Sooner or later a kid is gonna come up from behind and make a joke about trying to grab the handgun, wherever it is. Another reason to insist on retention holsters.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher