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Not sure what that means. Usually the side effect profile of most drugs are what causes non compliance. There is no-no worky or worky, your dealing with people with problems, some handle them better than others.

Medical or recreational ?

If people know there is lock up for crazy, they won't come forward looking for help.

What ever the cause, from chemical imbalances to behavior problems going back to some uncle, the cost of baby sitting is pretty high.

They took funding from mental health in the late 80’s to fight the losing war on drugs leaving troubled individuals and their families without a solid option for placement away from society for those who shouldn’t be allowed to walk around free.

Now, if you, we, try to demand facilities be reintroduced for the mentally “scary people” to be put into... The liberal ACLU will be right there to say, these people have more rights to their freedoms than we do to protection from them.

A 72 hour mental hold isn’t long enough for a family to affect the needed legal requirements to get a troubled individual off the street. It’s not even long enough to get the “scary person” on new meds or in most cases back on their medication they should have been taking regularly.

Scary people have rights too...Just ask the ACLU.

I havnt seen anything good come from legalization of recreational marijuana.

Counting HIPPA they have more rights.

They're directing most of the mental health money away from the seriously mentally ill into mental wellness type stuff.

"“If you need sexual identity counseling, if you lost a job, if you’re kid is not getting good grades…services are readily available to you,” he said. “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you.”

http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/15/seriously-mentally-ill-abandoned-mental-health-systems-services/

The prisons are full of people who being incarcerated and properly medicated are now perfectly normal.

the numbers of increase in feral (homeless?) humans are truly frightening, even though there are efforts afoot to make a dent in the problem.

it's a subject i know next to nothing about, but i can see it is in front of us, and is building in strength and impact.

our "system" is well intentioned, and much effort is being expended, but how to deal with all of it?

Mental health is a for profit business, lets face it, “If you’re homeless, schizophrenic and eating out of a dumpster, nothing is available to you because you are broke and can't pay for it.

That makes far to much sense for the gooberment to try.

It's called America First

If you have something to lose, (assets), the left would love to raid your life and lock you up. What a political and fiscal windfall for their liberal causes and a massive run at their liberal utopia free of us neanderthals.

We usually just have turkey on Thanksgiving.

Not sure what your point is, But mental illness is not a crime.

This is spot-on. Drugs replaced a lot of therapies housed in torturous mental institutions that only worked about a third of the time. Much cheaper and more effective than past practices. Two problems: They aren't ALWAYS effective and sooner or later, almost all patients decide that since they've been sane awhile, they no longer need the drugs. After the psychotropics get out of their system, they are insane again. Many times that's when their neighbor's dog starts commanding them to shoot some folks and suchlike.

Usually starts when the dog stares at them. For every person that pharm. doesn't work for their are a couple of thousand it does work for. (since we are using work units)

Just to be technical psychotropics are usually chemicals that contain indole groups, cross the blood brain barrier, and screw with your dopamine and serotonin,

if you want to stay with that then pharm drugs are anti-psychotropic. (while psychotropic may mean psyche changing, psychologists don't get to do the nomenclature --- pharmacologists do)

Then we're in agreement my friend, but removing it from Class 1 is a great start. And eliminating it from employee drug testing of cannabis should follow, they should concern themselves with opiates.

Last numbers I remember is that is cost $50K to house a prisoner annually here in MI. A good percentage of them are on anti-depressants and psychtropics. Many need meds that are more potent. It would seem that these inmates would be better off institutionalized in a mental hospital than being a drain on our resources AND be a detriment to society. It would free up the cops time too. HIPPA needs to be amended for better reporting.

Putting convicted felons, mentally ill or not, in with the regular citizens. aint gonna happen. Hospital mental or otherwise couldnt take the case load. and who is going to pay for their SRIs (serotonin reuptake inhibitors.)