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You're falling into the access to guns causes these incidents BS. If access was a cause I'd have been public enemy #1 when I was in middle school. I had my own 22 rifle, 12 gauge shotgun, and 357 mag revolver by that time. Somehow I didn't cause any trouble.

This is why we will lose this mess. Not only do we have the entire left fighting us, we have these folks within our ranks. You, sir, are a blight upon the nation...neither hot, nor cold, willing to barter away my rights, and those of my children so you can sleep better. There was once a number of names for folks like you; Tories, Loyalists, King's Men..

Oh.. it's for the kids? And it's okay, because we violated that Bill of Rights amendment regarding letting people drink alcohol.

You mean you are intent on lowering the massively high death rate among school children?

The death rate of children that's currently at a 50+ year low? Maybe better than 50+, not sure anybody was keeping stats that far back. And nationwide all homicides are at or near an all time low?

No, we're not going to give anything up because you are misinformed and buying into all the scary stuff you see on MSNBC and CNN.

We have a wave of copycat killers getting their 15 minutes of fame from nationwide media. That doesn't count for squat for changing ANY gun law.

Again, go to an AppleSeed weekend. Learn what the 2nd Amendment is actually about.

True. A room full of guns and ammo should not be an issue to anyone old enough to know better. It's about self control and right vs. wrong. We give 16yr olds plenty of freedom when it comes to driving. They are behind the wheels of 2-ton cars that will go 100mph plus on the street, but we expect them not to do so. Do we turn around and say it is Ford or Chevrolet's fault when a person drives 90mph in a 40mph zone and causes an accident? No, we blame the driver. Why should we not also expect people to not misuse their firearms in an illegal and dangerous manner?

so since i am a tories and a loyalist and need to go to something called appleseed......i give the floor to you guys....tell me what the answer is.... 100% without fail that will end this problem....

One of the best speeches I have seen come out of the NRA in a very LONG time.

The 2a states "shall not be infringed" any 8th grader understands what that means. More gun control and restrictions is NOT the answer.

I grew in a shooting sports program, was an officer during Jr and Sr year in High school. Our M1's, trap guns, and pistols were stored in the basement of...get this.... the school administration building! All of our reloading, ammo, shooting accessories stored also. Mid 80's, my how times have changed.

I was casting bullets, reloading ammo and shooting pistols all through middle school and high school. Not to mention all of the 22LR ammo run through our High Standards and smallbore rifles. BTW, the first thing I did on my 21st B-Day was go buy a pistol.

If some person would have tried to shoot up our High School, there was a bunch of us that probably would have went out to our cars to arm ourselves, then gone back in to defend.

It was somewhat interesting after being bullied by the hoodlums growing up. (I know that at least 4/5 ended up serving jail time) That it ceased after word got out that I had won a rifle match, shot pistols all the time and had competed in both SD and NE state trap shoots.

I think every school system should have a shooting sports program, run by the newly certified CCW teachers and other volunteer persons. Let's expose these kids to weapons the correct way. How much fun do you think those kids would have shooting pistols, shotguns and rifles? Maybe scrap some of the other sports programs to help pay, what good is putting a ball through a hoop anyway? or giving kids concussions and torn ACL's?


Oh yeah, maybe have some real security, and identify the troubled persons and intervene before it get's out of hand too.

The socialist would have an anxiety attack!

To be completely honest...I have no idea.

The reality, however, that even if there were irrefutable proof that these measure would end the current spate of juvenile violence, It would still be a blatant violation of my rights, and would not be acceptable. I am far less worried about "fixing" societal issues than I am about society and its government bartering away my rights.

Well, let's look at facts.

Homicide rate at or near all time low - slight raise in last couple years due to inner city violence climbing - but still better than any other time in your lifetime.

Child homicide rate at 50+ year low. Child firearm death rate at 50+ year low.

Mass murders happening - can be split between terrorism and copy cat killers.

Not enough mass murders happening to raise the homicide rate by 1% point.

Answer?

Well.. considering that quality of life and safety is a pretty much an all time high, there is NO need to change anything.

How to stop terrorism that can strike anywhere? Well.. good luck. More armed people seems to be the best bet, FBI has flubbed the last few.

How to stop school shooters? Well, they all seem to be copycats. So if there is an anti-Constitutional fix, it seems that addressing their ability to get fame would be far more effective. Simple - 5 year mandatory jail sentence for any news anchor or internet post that spreads the news. There ya go, your anti-Constitutional immediate fix for school shooters.

The obvious thing is fix what broke here. Family and other students didn't press charges when he threatened them with guns, family/friends/school didn't get him committed when he was cutting himself, family/friends/schools didn't get him arrested when he was threatening school shootings, law enforcement didn't arrest him despite 20+ calls, FBI didn't investigate two different tips which included internet videos where he was threatening to shoot up the school and arrest him..

Oh yeah, and the gun free zone didn't work.

If you want a Constitutional fix that will stop the ones that about 8 layers of safeguards failed to on this last one, then armed people on campuses is the best answer. Take AR's away and the body count will be the same with shotguns and buckshot, or handguns stolen from parent. You have to stop them when they start shooting. And FAST.. waiting for cops is too slow.

Thanks for posting the video.

Wayne stands there and tells us our 2nd rights should be limited, and you all yell, HURRAH!
Fquk! we're domed.
He does spin it pretty good, doesn't he?



http://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608

Funny, that. Our president offers up rights without even being asked, the leader of the organization sworn to fight for those rights agrees with him......

Maybe the NRA and the GOP does represent the majority of gun owner. I simply didnt realize the majority were as weak and spineless as they are.

Welcome to the real world lillysdad.
Our rights are being chipped away, and like any tree enough chips and it will fall
We're domed, just happy I lived when I did,

I will give DJT a little leeway as his position call for diplomacy but not the leadership of the organisation that is suppose to be #1 in defending our gun rights.

I dont worry too much about me, for a number of reasons. I am sad for my children, however. My only hope is that, at some point, the courage to hit that reset button is found.

Before throwing out a solution, first define the problem.

17 killed by a criminal is a tragedy. but...

Total number of kids killed in school shootings in 2017 = 5.

Total number in 2016 = 3.

That's the problem.

Here's my solution. Inner city black and hispanic schools have very tight security due to the neighborhoods they are in. My solution is to put the same security in suburban schools.

The 2nd Amendment was penned and ratified so that We, The People could take down a tyrannical government and vote folks in who could read and understand the US Constitution. The Constitution is not a hard read and the BILL OF RIGHTS contains no ambiguous rights, especially when read bearing in mind the times when they were written. Self defense and hunting were just a way of life. No one needed an law written giving them the right to hunt or to defend themselves with a firearm. But we fought a Revolution to be freed from a tyrannical government and the Founding Fathers wrote the US Constitution with that war in mind. They wanted to protect the Republic AND the people that were governed by it.

I detest any infringement upon our right to keep and BEAR arms. Call me a zealot, but I prefer patriot. Each time we give in to incrementalism we are letting the socialist chip away at our God Given rights.