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Thanks! Stout enough for a 300 SAUM? Thinking that combo might be a winner....
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Elk are much more wary than deer.. Learned something new today. Not in my experience. Sneaking up on elk is waaaay easier than sneaking up on deer. P
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Ya, I should have put a after that statement.
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Thanks! Stout enough for a 300 SAUM? Thinking that combo might be a winner.... I shoot them in mine. 3000 FPS with IMR 4831 is all I can get out of my Model 7, but it does the trick.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Thanks! Stout enough for a 300 SAUM? Thinking that combo might be a winner.... I would not have a problem running them in even a 300 win mag or 300 ultra.
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Sorry, pal. Your.308 doesn’t have enough gas to be a 500 yard elk rifle. The 168 AB from a .308 does not usually have enough velocity to reliably expand at that range. You don’t need a better bullet, just a bit more rifle...
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VELOCITY ENERGY PATH DROP DRIFT TIME ZERO ADJ (Yards) (FPS) (FT-LBS) (Inches) (Inches) (Inches) (SEC) (CLICKS) 0 2700 2671 -1.50 0.00 0 0.000 0 50 2647 2567 0.79 -0.60 0.00 0.058 -6 100 2594 2464 1.84 -2.45 0.00 0.115 -7 150 2540 2364 1.59 -5.58 0.00 0.174 -4 200 2488 2267 0.00 -10.07 0.00 0.234 0 250 2436 2174 -3.00 -15.95 0.00 0.295 5 300 2384 2083 -7.46 -23.31 0.00 0.357 9 350 2334 1995 -13.46 -32.19 0.00 0.420 15 400 2284 1910 -21.06 -42.67 0.00 0.486 20 450 2234 1828 -30.32 -54.81 0.00 0.552 26 500 2185 1749 -41.33 -68.70 0.00 0.620 32
308- 168 grain Accubond at 2700 ft-sec. Altitude at 7000 temp at 59 degrees. Looks like it should kill an elk to me
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RANGE VELOCITY ENERGY PATH DROP DRIFT TIME ZERO ADJ (Yards) (FPS) (FT-LBS) (Inches) (Inches) (Inches) (SEC) (CLICKS) 0 2600 2476 -1.50 0.00 0 0.000 0 100 2496 2282 2.05 -2.64 0.00 0.120 -8 200 2392 2097 0.01 -10.87 0.00 0.243 0 300 2291 1923 -8.12 -25.17 0.00 0.371 10 400 2193 1761 -22.89 -46.10 0.00 0.505 22 500 2096 1610 -44.90 -74.27 0.00 0.645 34
looked closer and saw 2600 for speed so here are those results
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Purt near 2100 fps, 168 gr through the lungs is a dead elk.
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Well, if those numbers above are close, then I stand corrected! When I run those numbers on several calculators, I don’t seem to get anything quite that high. That said, I killed a pile of deer and elk with my .308 before my current lunacy set in and I started shooting Weatherby magnums. Happy Trails, y’all
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Nosler thinks is might be. The Trophy Grade 165 AB shows a MV of 2800. Nikon Spot On, with a projected temp of 45, humidity of 35, and altitude of 6000', which sounds like reasonable elk conditions, it shows the following:
308 Winchester - 165gn Accubond Bullet Weight (grains): 165 Muzzle Velocity (FPS): 2800 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.475 Sight Height (Inches): 1.5 Altitude (Feet): 6000 Temperature (Degrees F): 45 Barometric Pressure (In Hg): 23.97 Humidity: 35 Wind Speed/Direction: 0 mph from E
RNG VEL EN PATH DROP DRIFT TIME ZERO ADJ (Yds) (FPS) (FT-LBS) (In) (In) (In) (SEC) (CLICKS) 0 2800 2872 -1.50 0.00 0 0.000 0 100 2669 2609 1.70 -2.29 0.00 0.112 -6 200 2539 2362 0.02 -9.46 0.00 0.227 0 300 2413 2133 -7.08 -22.03 0.00 0.348 9 400 2291 1922 -20.16 -40.58 0.00 0.476 19 500 2172 1728 -39.88 -65.77 0.00 0.611 30
Retained velocity and energy would be higher at higher altitudes, with flatter trajectory. Nosler lists this load for deer and elk sized game. The 168 ABLR, bc of .525, will hold velocity a bit better, but start a bit slower; factory lists 2750, holding 2226/1915 at 500 yards, almost the same path. Either should be satisfactory for elk with good shot placement. Please note that these are factory loads.
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I also have the 7mm mashburn with the 150 grain scirroco bullets however its a good deal heavier than the 308 so I thought about using the 308 instead.
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Run a 150 TTSX and eliminate worries.
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Run a 150 TTSX and eliminate worries. Out of a 7mm Weatherby Magnum at 3,200 fps just to be sure! Happy Trails
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For coyotes I carry my Remington Tactical, for elk I carry my Winchester Mashburn or 300 wm. If weight is a problem, work with them prior to the season, i am 72.
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I tried the 150 and 165 grain accubond bullets the other day. I had sub inch groups with the 165 grainers with 44 grains of varget and sub inch groups with reloader 15 and the 150 grainers. I did think that the 150 grainers seemed to shoot a bit better than the 165 grainers. Has anyone ever used these bullets on elk out of the 308?
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Personally I would stick with the 165 gr Accubond, and limit myself to 400 yards or less. I took an elk with a 165 gr Accubond, and have watched two of my friends take elk with the same grain bullet. Put one in the vitals with a 308 at a reasonable range and you're eating elk tenderloin.
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Not sure if I dealt with this or not... I have shot lots of elk with BT, and Accubonds.. Usually the Accubonds are found on the off side intact, but about the size of a dime.. All of mine have been 150’s or 165’s.. I used this in a couple .300 Wins. So I am sure it would be fine in a .308..
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