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why not just make it SFP? Who didn't see THAT coming?....... He never disappoints.
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why not just make it SFP? Who didn't see THAT coming?....... He never disappoints. True dat!
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I fabricated a "field friendly" "windage lock" for my 3-9x42. ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/gGwGgfxh.jpg) Glad to see I am not the only one who does that....grin Good place for extry muzzle tape.
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Most hunters who live in western states hunt from trucks, therefore weight is not critical. Are you serious?
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Yep.
We used to joke about it. "If you see someone off the road, he is usually from Texas."
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yeah, needing to be pulled out.......
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yeah, needing to be pulled out....... Kind of floated that one over the plate didn’t he?
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The internals of a scope (less the lenses) make up the least amount of mass in a scope so designing the rest of it out of lighter wt. materials while maintaining strong/repeatable internals really shouldn't be that hard. I think even the internals could be lightened up as well with proper design and materials. The caveat is whether you can build that lighter, reliable scope to the same price point as the SWFA line. Potentially needing more expensive materials and manufacturing procedures to meet the wt./reliability requirements would run the price up, but I doubt the increase would be enough to scare most people off who appreciate what they would get, considering what many are willing to pay for high end scopes and rifles now
What components do make up the largest % of the mass? My guess is the tube, but I have never taken one apart so I don't know. I'd be interested to know if brass is the common material of choice by other manufacturers. There are certainly lighter weight materials that would seem to function just as well (disclaimer, I'm only speculating as I don't why brass is used here) in this application. Brass is soft with good and machines well. Maybe that keeps process costs down. I'd think titanium or higher grade aluminum alloys would be alternatives, but probably a cost increase as you suggest. Would be interested to find out if one would work, and at what cost.
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The internals of a scope (less the lenses) make up the least amount of mass in a scope so designing the rest of it out of lighter wt. materials while maintaining strong/repeatable internals really shouldn't be that hard. I think even the internals could be lightened up as well with proper design and materials. The caveat is whether you can build that lighter, reliable scope to the same price point as the SWFA line. Potentially needing more expensive materials and manufacturing procedures to meet the wt./reliability requirements would run the price up, but I doubt the increase would be enough to scare most people off who appreciate what they would get, considering what many are willing to pay for high end scopes and rifles now
What components do make up the largest % of the mass? My guess is the tube, but I have never taken one apart so I don't know. I'd be interested to know if brass is the common material of choice by other manufacturers. There are certainly lighter weight materials that would seem to function just as well (disclaimer, I'm only speculating as I don't why brass is used here) in this application. Brass is soft with good and machines well. Maybe that keeps process costs down. I'd think titanium or higher grade aluminum alloys would be alternatives, but probably a cost increase as you suggest. Would be interested to find out if one would work, and at what cost. Brass is used because it resists corrosion so well. The same reason so many salt water fishing reels are made out of brass.
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yeah, needing to be pulled out....... And given a breathalyzer.....
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Super Snipers die the same as any other scope given enough use. This 6X died around the 4K mark. SWFA is going to warranty it of course. ![[Linked Image]](https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4708/39471954485_1ae5f97737_k.jpg) Dave
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4k of what?
22lr, 223, 308?
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.308. 155gr. Scenars. Mostly.
Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I'd think bronze might even be better, but possibly more expensive. Back when I played with cameras, the story was that brass and bronze used together, or other dissimilar metals used in the focusing helicals would self-lubricate, while brass-on-brass, bronze-on-bronze, etc would gall. Helicals are a different mechanism, of course, but I'd imagine the principal would still apply, although the ratchety-clicky thing that holds the adjustment in place in a scope is probably a bit harder on the works.
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Did you mean to post that in the canted reticle thread?
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BOING!
I have a question for all those concerned by the way.
If the use of variable magnification is indicative of less reliability, wouldn't the use of a BDC reticle and not twisting turrets be inherently more reliable?
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You could remove the turrets and not want for much on a SWFA MQ
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This reticle is upside down.
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.308. 155gr. Scenars. Mostly.
Dave mine is gonna be good for a while then.  Sycamore
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BOING!
I have a question for all those concerned by the way.
If the use of variable magnification is indicative of less reliability, wouldn't the use of a BDC reticle and not twisting turrets be inherently more reliable? Pretty much how I use my SS anyway, and one or two others, at the range anyway. In the field, I use the old standby method of most fat, lazy, weak, Eastern hunters of sighting in for 200 yards and holding on hair from 0-300. Most of the deer I shoot, or don't, are close enough to hear the clicks and see the movement.
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