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A couple of lead in topics used as examples at the beginning of this will assuredly push some folks emotional response buttons, and the mere presence of some individual words here will cause certain knees to jerk rapidly while ignoring any further message that may be proffered. Oh well, can't be helped without choppy editing. Not that I like deliberately pushing folks' buttons, quite the contrary, but I like things that promote discussion and make me think, which the main body of this does.


Civil Insurrection: A Modest Proposal for Ending the United States



I see that a man named Sessions, apparently Washington’s Attorney General, threatens to unleash the coercive powers of the federal government against the state of Colorado, his reason being that he does not like the state’s policy with regard to marijuana. This is most curious. Why he believes the policies of Colorado to be his concern is not clear. Equally mysterious is why he thinks the police of Colorado should arrest Coloradans for doing a thing that the people of the state have determined to be acceptable.

Mr. Session’s expansive view of his importance in the universe is seen again in his menacing of the state of California because he does noi approve its policy toward its immigrants. Common sense suggests that if he does not like California’s policies, he should live in another state. I am sure this would suit California well.

What justification does this feral busybody have for meddling in what is not his business? Mr. Sessions wraps himself in the Constitution and, thus emparchmented, asserts that the Supremacy Clause gives him the authority to overrule the states. Reasonable men may disagree on this matter. I assert that the states have no duty to observe the Constitution since the federals do not.

As one instance among many, the Constitution ordains that the country shall not go to war without a declaration from the Congress. In fact the federals make war constantly with neither a declaration nor any reference to the will of people, draining their substance for purposes which are not theirs. If the Constitution is not binding on the central government, it is not binding on the states.

In any event the federals do not represent the people of the country. How many of us in the various states want to spend trillions on distant wars at the command–for that is what it is–of Israel, the petroleum industry, and Empire? Yet we have no choice.

The question of states rights is today seen, or inculcated, as the fantasy of romantic conservatives remembering a world that never was. In truth, states rights are our only bulwark against tyranny. It is the amalgamation of undeserved powers in the hands of the federals that accounts for the country’s tribulations both within and without.

A great and wise man, a leading proponent of states rights, long ago foresaw this dismal prospect, saying, “The consolidation of the states into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it.”

Just so. Is this not what we see? When a single remote legislature controls a continent, then a small group wishing to dominate the whole need suborn only a few hundred members of its Congress and a few judges on its Supreme Court. By corrupting one city, they can impose any law they choose on all. That the people of many states find the law odious matters little as they can do nothing about it.

If however the people of each state made their own laws, the small group in New York would have to purchase fifty legislatures, each being under the scrutiny of the people of the state. The more local the government, the more responsive to the will of the governed. It would not be possible to establish a uniform despotism..

This despotism is what we now have, and it worsens. Today the federals dictate every aspect of our lives with no regard for those suffering the dictation. They determine what we may teach our children in the schools, what sexual practices must be preached to to those children, what religious observances are allowed us. If they decide that ten thousand Papua New Guineans in loincloths must settle upon our towns, then settle they must. They decide what statues we may have, how our world was created, who may use our bathrooms. They decide, these remote people who names we often do not know, of loyalties and faiths and beliefs many of us find distasteful, with whom we must make war.

How may we of the various states rid ourselves of such noxious influences from afar? By what right? Now I am just a countryman of no great learning in governance. Yet it seems to me that when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I believe that the causes of separation have been sufficiently enumerated in the foregoing. The question is how to achieve the separation.

There is no prospect of escape by armed rebellion. The federals control the army, and history has shown that soldiers will as soon kill their fellow citizens as any other.

A more fruitful, if gradual, path to freedom is to ignore the strictures of intrusive federals, to engage in passive resistance. Washington does not have the manpower to enforce alien laws upon the entire nation. We see the beginnings of this laudable disentanglement in the seven states that have made legal the use of marijuana. Should these states remain resolute, and refuse to allow their police to be used as Quisling Pinkertons against their citizenry, they may well prevail. The avowed resistance of the government of California to the imposition of laws alien to it is perhaps as important as the battle of Yorktown. As goes California, so goes the nation.

In a country deeply at odds with itself the best course may be separation, first of laws, then of administration, and finally of sovereignty. It need not be an uneven fight. As Washington can withhold federal funds from the states, so can the states withhold taxes from the federals, as California has threatened.

America seems overlarge. Perhaps the parts should go their separate ways. If the federals had to pay for their own wars, there would be no wars. General Lee was right.


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The AG doesn't make the laws (supposedly), he just enforces them. There are laws in existence against both weed and unauthorized immigration. The question isn't why he's going after CO. The question is why he isn't going after CA, OR, and other states that don't comply with federal laws.
We have proper procedures for changing laws that we don't like and just ignoring them isn't one of them. If those states don't like the existing laws, they need to go through the proper channels to attempt to change them. If they don't, some governors need to face prosecution.


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I thought we settled the fed vs state powers in 1865.


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Jim, some interesting propositions there.

One thing seems to be forgotten. At one time, somewhere in the past, the not so distant past for a couple of the States, they willingly joined the Union.

If I'm not totally forgetting my civics lesson, along with the process for joining the Union there is/are some process/processes for "un-joining". Right?

Similar to what some of us 2A proponents have been saying for years to the "banners". You don't like the 2A? Then go through the process to remove or amend it. It says what it says.

Living in the wonderful State of California we get to deal with a number of the issues posted. An especially irksome one is the "immigrant" issue here. Special instructions from ATF had to be sent to CA firearm dealers regarding an issue with CA drivers licenses for "unauthorized/undocumented" aliens that, because of an opt in type system, allowed confirmed USA citizens to get licenses with a warning that the licenses weren't legal for Federal purposes. Seems to have been resolved somewhat, with the caveat that the dealers ask for extra documentation if they have ANY qualms about selling to the buyer.

Civil disobedience on a grand scale just might work, however, it has a tendency to go "both ways" and the conservatives may end up with some restoration of "State's rights" only to find out they don't like parts of the outcome (eg, mary j juana laws)

Thanks for posting the thought provoker for the day.

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Oregon is so screwed up I'd hate to give our lesbian governor any more power than she already presumes to have.


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the question being posed seems to be related to just how much rights the states can have, without puncturing the balloon of the fed. gov't that encompasses the states?

that is, just how big can we enlarge the balloon before it pops?

calif. & sanctuary cities, colorado with marijuana laws, north carolina hills with white lightnin'

sovereign citizens in multiple states.

and some folks are askeert to call for a constitutional convention.

is the status quo working or not? that is the question.


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The federal government has every right to control immigration and our US border along with defense and national security. I'm not a fan of legal marijuana but I see it as a states rights issue. As long as it's grown and sold within the same state, claiming interstate commerce is a big stretch and without constitutional standing IMO.

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I've wondered for years why the Feds did not jump on this issue instantly.


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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
I thought we settled the fed vs state powers in 1865.

If you are having trouble understanding federal/states powers issues, I suggest you read the constitution!
It's quite clear.

While being personally opposed to legalizing pot (or other drugs) the 10th amendment should prevent the feds from interfereing with drug use laws within a state. The Fed govt has only those powers specifically granted it by the constitution. This is clearly a states rights issue.

Immigration laws are specifically granted to the feds. States have no say or control over any immigration issues. In fact, if state/city officials interfere with immigration enforcement they are quite probably committing a felony.

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Oregon is so screwed up I'd hate to give our lesbian governor any more power than she already presumes to have.


Much better to give the power to the feds, huh?



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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The AG doesn't make the laws (supposedly), he just enforces them. There are laws in existence against both weed and unauthorized immigration. The question isn't why he's going after CO. The question is why he isn't going after CA, OR, and other states that don't comply with federal laws.
We have proper procedures for changing laws that we don't like and just ignoring them isn't one of them. If those states don't like the existing laws, they need to go through the proper channels to attempt to change them. If they don't, some governors need to face prosecution.



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Originally Posted by Mittenman
The federal government has every right to control immigration and our US border......


It sure does. And if it was doing its job on the border there would be no issue with the state of California.



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Well said Jim,thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by 1minute
I've wondered for years why the Feds did not jump on this issue instantly.
Because the toker-in-chief at the time, Zerobama, fully supported MJ use.


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I guess no one remembers Arizona's attempt at immigration enforcement and the bam bam justice dept's reaction.
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