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You don't have a clue about what just happened.

What just happened? Ten years ago no one had ever heard of a bump stock. It was a new device that required an opinion of the ATF as to it’s legality. Said opinion has now changed.

If all of you hysterical ladies want to get so upset about this, then I would suggest that you should have started fighting the Civil War when Reagan effectively banned automatic rifles or Bush 1, banned the importation of tons of firearms, or when Clinton banned so-called assault rifles.

Instead, after two decades of unmitigated success where on the federal level, firearms regulations have been rolled back over and over, the SCOTUS ruled unequivocally the 2nd is an individual right, and on the state level you now get a carry license on a “must issue” basis in practically every state in the country, you people want to lose your minds because a regulatory agency that had previously allowed you to attach a schitty piece of plastic to your rifle, decided to reverse itself.

Yes, because a bump stock, rubber band or dowel rod does not change a semi-automatic to an automatic.

Still no clue.

I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you, either.

Arguing about whether a bump stock lets recoil make the rifle fully automatic or whether the recoil lets the finger bump the trigger and hence an individual trigger pull is "needed" is just semantics and is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The bump stock gives a fully automatic rate of fire either way.

Bump stocks are not the hill to die on. 90% of shooters probably never even heard of them until Las Vegas. Manufacturing new machine guns has been illegal since 1986, and that's what bump stocks create. So what?

I see two downsides to the ban, though.

First, it energizes the anti-gun feds to realize they can ban SOMETHING. What's next?

Second, if we oppose it and they win (which they will), they will think can roll over us. Again, what's next?

I think the best course of action is to simply shut up about it.

As for the rubber band trick, nothing can happen--in the short term. They aren't going to outlaw rubber bands. Outlawing AR15s under the excuse that a rubber band lets them become a machine gun manufactured after 1986 just won't fly unless a law is passed. The best defense against that is the widespread ownership of AR15s by voters. For while I don't know anyone who has a bump stock, I know a lot of people who own AR15s, including people who have never even shot them.

You can thank the NRA statement for this ban on bump stocks.......if the NRA leadership hadn't released a statement approving it, there is no way it would be an issue. LaPierre and Cox and anyone else in NRA leadership who thought this statement was a good idea need to be fired!!!

It’s like I’m living in the twilight zone. Firearms owners have got to be the dumbest sobs as a group on the planet.

We’ve been fighting this war for decades. I remember when the common myth was that a semi-auto could be converted to automatic fire by the simple installation of an automatic sear. For the most part that wasn’t true and where it was, designs were changed so that it wouldn’t be. Then, based on that we spent the next couple of decades arguing that so-called assault weapons only looked like military weapons and were not capable of automatic fire and as such, were really no different than a Remington 742 or any other hunting rifle. And you know what? We largely won that battle. It was working great.

And then, in the space of half a decade or so, we’ve suddenly got tens of thousands of YouTube videos with tons of firearms owners reinacting the gunfight scene from Heat with goofy assed grins on their faces as they spray hundreds of rounds downrange with their bump stocks. Suddenly these “scary looking” guns that we had spent the last two decades telling people weren’t really all that scary, are doing what appears to be exactly what we had spent the last two decades telling everyone that they couldn’t do.

And save me from the technical explanations of what a bump stock does and doesn’t do. I get it. But any sane person is going to look at those YouTube videos and see what it ACTUALLY does no matter how you try to get into the technical weeds about it.

Now, as for me, I’m for repealing every gun control law on the books. I don’t think anything should be illegal. But we, as a shooting community, spent years and years crafting a narrative about modern sporting rifles and semi-autos in general. And bump stocks pretty much have single handedly destroyed that narrative.

Yes the NRA didn't have to jump on this horse. That was just stupid and it is an unnecessary reaction. The next logical progression will be to ban the simi auto and that will encompass everything from a Remington 1100 to an AR. Once again the taxpayer is going to have to foot the bill for more feel good unenforceable legislation to be printed up and allow the government one step closer to Marxism.

How many voters own bump stocks? 1000?

How many own AR15s? 10,000,000?

How many own semi auto AR15s, SKSs, 742s, 1100s, and all the rest? 20,000,000?

How many members does the NRA, GOA, CCRKBA combined have now? 6,000,000?

How many adults in total live in the same houses of those members? 12,000,000?

That's a lot of votes. If you want to keep your guns, support the NRA, send them cash, stop bitching when they send you 2% of the junk mail that others send you, write a thoughtful letter to your legislatures once in awhile, and VOTE!!!

Indy
Benefactor Member
National Rifle Association of America

Why would I send more money to the NRA when they back stabbed gun owners by releasing a statement supporting a ban on bump stocks and flipping a 180 and coming out in support of extreme risk protective orders??

As I have stated before, I'm a long time NRA member, an NRA certified instructor and have recruited for them in the past, but they no longer speak for me.......the leadership is week and needs to be run out on a rail!!

What is the new regulation proposing to do about all the bump stocks that have already been sold?

I 100% agree, time for leadership with a backbone. Wayne rolls over like a beotch in heat every time there is a fight.

destroy,render inoperable, or turn in.

It's chess, remember?

just read the proposed reg.
next step they will take is to outlaw firing a semiauto rifle from any position other than the shoulder.
this is a very slippery slope.

So ..... here it is:






********************** " ...THUS SPEAKETH CAESAR ... " *********************

"The Die Is Cast" and "I Am Prepared To Resort To Anything, To Submit To Anything, For The Sake Of The Commonwealth." ---

........ Julius Caesar

"So Let It Be Written. So Let It Be Done." ----

........ Pharaoh Ramses II

Well Gentlemen...welcome to Australia.

Yes. It is indeed a very slippery slope. This is bad news. This will lead to more and more challenges to what should and should not be illegal/legal.

The door has been opened.

In case you haven't noticed, the "Monica's" on here have not chimed in on this. Apparently they have their mouths......oops, I meant hands, full at the moment.

I agree with your bump stock comment. I also think that disciplined and focused fire by a motivated individual (this includes the mentally ill) is as dangerous as any weapon of mass destruction or a simple bump stock. I am still waiting for some action on mentally ill folks who should not be on the street. I really doubt I will see it in my life time.

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