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Slightly off topic, I'm out of my IMR 4064 powder I've been using for years. Use it a lot in my 250 savage 1920 among other rifles. I use a light load of 32 grains of 4064 and the 87 grain bullet which is around a velocity of 2600 based off the old data I have. I don't try to get an ultra clean bore after shooting, I generally run several patches to the point where most of the fouling is out but I never seem to get it all out. Anyone try Hodgdon CFE223? Or should I just stick with the 4064?
On the Hodgdon load data site they list a starting load of 34 grains for the 87 grain bullet for 2900 fps. Anyone have any other loads?
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Accurate load of 34.5 grains H4895 and most any 87-90 grain bullet you care to send down the pipe. Used for numerous 250s in 99s, M1920 and M14 American Classic.
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Accurate load of 34.5 grains H4895 and most any 87-90 grain bullet you care to send down the pipe. Used for numerous 250s in 99s, M1920 and M14 American Classic. H4895 worked well in my 99H .250-3000 with the 87gr hot-cor, too. 33-34 grains. I only fired open sights at 25 yards, groups were .3-.5". Vel 2800-2850ish.
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Slightly off topic, I'm out of my IMR 4064 powder I've been using for years. Use it a lot in my 250 savage 1920 among other rifles. I use a light load of 32 grains of 4064 and the 87 grain bullet which is around a velocity of 2600 based off the old data I have. I don't try to get an ultra clean bore after shooting, I generally run several patches to the point where most of the fouling is out but I never seem to get it all out. Anyone try Hodgdon CFE223? Or should I just stick with the 4064?
On the Hodgdon load data site they list a starting load of 34 grains for the 87 grain bullet for 2900 fps. Anyone have any other loads?
I had great accuracy with CFE223 in the 30-30 accross all bullet weights. I have not tried CFE223 in the 250 Savage yet no doubt the powder would do well.
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I've had great luck with Reloder 15 in both my .250 and .300s.
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Im liking CFE-223 a lot, but haven't tried it in the .250. Accuracy in .300, .30-30, .223, and .22HP is as good as with any other powders I use, plus it really does live up to its claim of reducing copper fouling.
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If it works in the 30-30 that means it would also work in my two 303 savages as well. Also have a model 20 in 300 savage. I'm going to try some. Thanks all.
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I'm sure there are a pile of powders that will work, though the IMRs are pretty solid performers.
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I've been an IMR guy all along, but I figure why not try something new. Glad I did. What's not to like about reduced copper fouling? Works good too with cast bullets. Best of all it meters like a dream since it's a ball powder.
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I'm only jacking the jaw here and have skin in this game at all, but the down side of stick powders like the IMRs have been that they are a bit harder to meter as your measure tends to chop through the last few grains. The upside of ball powders is that in comparison to stick powders they are easier to meter. But, at least with Winchester, ball powders tend to burn dirtier. This is way OT but I think that switching to a ball powder in the 60s was one of the root causes for early problems with the M16. Now to get back OT, how clean does CFE-223 burn? I'm intrigued.
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H4895 or R15 have worked well for me.
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I use a bunch of long stick 3031 in mid speed 308 Winchester loads, and I dispense them with a Redding powder measure. Out of a couple of my capable rifles these loads typically shoot 5/8 moa, five shot groups at 300 yards. So I respectfully submit that in hunting applications you'll need to get several other ducks in a row before you'll see the effect of small variations from throwing charges of extruded kernel powders.
That said, the smooth metering CFE223 is pretty good stuff.
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Slightly off topic, I'm out of my IMR 4064 powder I've been using for years. Use it a lot in my 250 savage 1920 among other rifles. I use a light load of 32 grains of 4064 and the 87 grain bullet which is around a velocity of 2600 based off the old data I have. I don't try to get an ultra clean bore after shooting, I generally run several patches to the point where most of the fouling is out but I never seem to get it all out. Anyone try Hodgdon CFE223? Or should I just stick with the 4064?
On the Hodgdon load data site they list a starting load of 34 grains for the 87 grain bullet for 2900 fps. Anyone have any other loads?
I had great accuracy with CFE223 in the 30-30 accross all bullet weights. I have not tried CFE223 in the 250 Savage yet no doubt the powder would do well. CFE 223 is a fine powder for the .250. I personally got better groups with W748 (Which is essentially BLC-(2) )
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CFE 223 is a fine powder for the .250. I personally got better groups with W748 (Which is essentially H335)
Where are you getting this?
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#2385944 - 08/22/08 Re: Mule Deer Win 748 is Exactly H335? True? [Re: PJGunner]
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They are the same powder. Individual lots may vary, but they're the same. H414 is the same as W760 as well. This has been true for years.
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I believe I remember that post, mainly because this is one instance where I can't reconcile my experience with what JB said.
I just did a check of Hodgdon's online data for 223 Rem with 50,53, and 55 grain bullets, along with 308 Winchester with 150 grain bullets. What I saw certainly did not suggest to me that H335 and W748 are the same powder within lot to lot variation.
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CFE 223 is a fine powder for the .250. I personally got better groups with W748 (Which is essentially H335)
Where are you getting this? Sorry, typo, should have been (Which is essentially BLC-(2) in regards to burn rate)
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Reread more, refreshed memory, dropping subject.
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Varget using 36.5 gr gives me 3000+ and bragable groups with 87 gr Speer Hot Core.
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