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Many of you know of the failure on the part of the FBI to follow up on credible tips regarding confessed murderer Nikolas Cruz, but did you know that Broward County Public Schools (BCPS) was the poster child for reducing school-based arrests so that troubled students could avoid blots on their record? This Obama era lax school discipline policy known as PROMISE (google it) appears to have allowed Cruz to buy a gun since his school offenses were among those that could no longer be reported to police.
Nikolas Cruz was known to be a disciplinary nightmare. Between him and his brother they had 45 run-ins with the law. He was transferred 6 times in 3 years according to the Miami Herald but never expelled, taken into custody or arrested. Although his in-school problems have been kept very quiet, it has been reported to have included assault, threats and bringing bullets to school on one occasion. He was not supposed to be allowed on campus with a backpack and yet he had a clean record?
Deputy Sheriff Jeff Bell, president of the Broward County Sheriffs’ Association told the Washington Times that deputies working as school resource officers have had their hands tied after the school district overhauled its student conduct code in 2013. “If he had gotten arrested just once for disorderly conduct or trespassing or something like that, that would have shown up on his criminal record, and could have sent up some red flags before he was ever allowed to buy a firearm.” Said Officer Bell. “They were basically paying us not to make arrests,” he said.
The PROMISE program is in 53 major school districts. Failure to go with the program means the district loses millions in funding and is subject to scrutiny. Obama and BCPS failed progressive idea was that if a kid makes threats or gets into fights we should keep it out of the system because it might come as a cost if they cannot get a job, get into college or into the military.
Under PROMISE students charged with misdemeanors, including assault, are “disciplined” through “healing circles,” obstacle courses and other “self-esteem building” exercises.
In Broward County, school-based arrests dropped by 63% from 2012 to 2016 and the district received $54 million dollars in federal grants based in part for keeping high risk students in school. The Superintendent, (who had previously worked for Obama’s Education Secretary Arne Duncan in Chicago’s Public Schools) was hailed as a hero and invited to Washington in 2015. PROMISE was designed to stop the “school-house to jail-house pipeline” but most people I know would say that if the situation warrants it, the “pipeline from school-house to jail-house” should be a 3” pipe with a one-way valve. Schools in these big cities have become more violent and there may be a few young adults who should be getting flushed down that pipe instead of sitting in healing circles. Other violent adult offenders belong in a mental institution but they really don’t exist anymore and that is a whole other topic.
In the meantime, instead of putting the blame on failed progressive ideas and lenient discipline they blame guns.
Sincerely,
Charles Rush, President Ohio Gun collectors' Association
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I've seen most of that info posted before. But I've lost count of the number of times people here and on other conservative oriented forums have gotten all up in arms complaining about "zero tolerance" rules. it has been reported to have included assault, threats and bringing bullets to school on one occasion. Over the years I've seen multiple posts here defending some poor kid who was suspended for simply forgetting that he had bullets in his jacket pocket, or if he had made a gun gesture with his hand at school. Making the gun gesture with your hand was probably an innocent thing when most of us were in school, but in 2018 it is a non-verbal threat warning someone that they need to keep their mouth shut. When these kids get in trouble at school for seemingly minor things the kids, parents and their friends can say anything they want to the press regardless of how true it is and it won't be challenged. With juveniles the school and LE officials simply can't provide any details and we never know the "rest of the story" I'd bet money that if Cruz had been suspended from school a year ago and it made it into the news there would have been people here defending him claiming that "common sense" had gone out the window in favor of "zero tolerance". While I don't agree with the way Broward County handled the situation. It does appear they chose not to follow through on "zero tolerance" rules. Keep that in mind the next time you read about some kid getting in trouble at school for something that you think is minor. You don't know the whole story, and never will.
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Another example of the Law of Unintended Consequences that liberal policies are famous for.
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Another example of the Law of Unintended Consequences that liberal policies are famous for. Oh they are quite intended.
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There is a helluva difference between accidentally having a couple of bullets in your pocket and having the police called 45 times on you.
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There is a helluva difference between accidentally having a couple of bullets in your pocket and having the police called 45 times on you. Your dang straight there is.
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There is a helluva difference between accidentally having a couple of bullets in your pocket and having the police called 45 times on you. Your dang straight there is. Yup plus 2. How could anyone be to stupid to not see a difference between a good kid and a mistake Vs. a nut with 45 police calls.
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Thanks for posting, I have shared with others. I knew some of those details but not all of them.
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Thanks, I didn’t know all of that!!
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I've seen most of that info posted before. But I've lost count of the number of times people here and on other conservative oriented forums have gotten all up in arms complaining about "zero tolerance" rules. it has been reported to have included assault, threats and bringing bullets to school on one occasion. Over the years I've seen multiple posts here defending some poor kid who was suspended for simply forgetting that he had bullets in his jacket pocket, or if he had made a gun gesture with his hand at school. Making the gun gesture with your hand was probably an innocent thing when most of us were in school, but in 2018 it is a non-verbal threat warning someone that they need to keep their mouth shut. When these kids get in trouble at school for seemingly minor things the kids, parents and their friends can say anything they want to the press regardless of how true it is and it won't be challenged. With juveniles the school and LE officials simply can't provide any details and we never know the "rest of the story" I'd bet money that if Cruz had been suspended from school a year ago and it made it into the news there would have been people here defending him claiming that "common sense" had gone out the window in favor of "zero tolerance". While I don't agree with the way Broward County handled the situation. It does appear they chose not to follow through on "zero tolerance" rules. Keep that in mind the next time you read about some kid getting in trouble at school for something that you think is minor. You don't know the whole story, and never will. Common sense used to be common with an occasional odd ball just not getting it. Now many don't get it. Somehow you got yourself in with them, you know, the ones who blame conservatives for retaining common sense.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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That article may be true concerning that schools policy, but I for one believe that there is much, much more to the story. I've posted this before but will do it again. If you want to know why that kid did it and why there is a David Hogg, then research the Fathers.
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