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He also said they were shooting them through the lungs. Any thoughts on DRT percentages with that shot for 130 SGK started at 3100 vs 250 SGK started at 2600?
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He also said they were shooting them through the lungs. Any thoughts on DRT percentages with that shot for 130 SGK started at 3100 vs 250 SGK started at 2600?
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Please share your 338 load that will launch a 250 gr bullet at 3000-3100 fps.
He must've got it from the funny papers, er, I mean ballistics tables.
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Will a 280 launch a 250 gr bullet at the same MV as a 270/130?
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Well Brad, aren't you glad you asked?????
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A guy certainly can get an "education" around here...
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Your absurd examples are not relevant to the real situations. Because I magnified the situation you don't see the relevance???? I'm not sure what is hard to understand. The 338, 250 grain GK bullet is built by Sierra with a heavy jacket and hard core material so it will resist coming apart on impact with game much heavier than deer. The 270, 130 grain GK is pretty much a deer bullet. I totally agree with this statement. But this does not make the .338 less devastating on an animal such as a whitetail. Seeing this information on the internet is simple. Go out do some research and look at pictures of whitetails shot with .338 vs .270's. It's easy for me to see which does more damage. This is a really stupid argument. But I love the debate. I find it funny on these threads that if someone mentions the a larger caliber is better or kills faster the thread just blows up. Most know that bigger, faster is more devastating creating larger wound channels and internal damage. Others well........ Wow. Just when I thought I'd read it all. Obvious that Adams has done his internet research here. No sense arguing with an 'expert'.
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I traded for some 270 bullets and I acquired some 130 and 140 grain Partitions. I have been a big fan of 150 grain bullets in the 270 in the past but can't really say a 130 or 140 grain Partition would do any differently than a 150. It seems odd that there would be three very similar bullets made in one caliber 10 grains apart in weight. I can say the 130 grain Partition will out penetrate either the Speer or Hornady 150 grain spitzers and spire points which I have used to good effect on Elk, Mule deer and Whitetails. The next hunt this rifle will go on will be for Mule deer in an area well known for being windy and open. Shoot the one that is most accurate out of your rifle/load and don't look back.
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Im a fan of 130's. and that is for deer and elk.
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Most know that bigger, faster is more devastating creating larger wound channels and internal damage. Others well........
I might agree with that IF. IF that bigger bullet is NOT constructed so heavy it resists opening up. THAT has already been brought out...did you catch it ? From PERSONAL experience ‘bigger’ & ‘faster’ does NOT always mean more destructive. REAL life reality ** In my 8mm Rem Mag. I shoot 200 gr bullets at 3100 + FPS. That’s .323 dia.- 200 grain @ 3100 + For WT (whitetail) I don’t use N Ps. The Speer 8mm 200 gr spitzers are STOUT enuff that they DONT open sufficiently or quick enuff for the destruction that I expected and that you reference. I haven’t tried them yet but the front end of the 200 gr N Ps might very well open quicker and give expected destruction. I doubt the 250 gr 338 bullets will open quick enuff on WT to be as destructive as opined. Jerry
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Alright, how did this turn into a 338wm vs. 270 thread? Lets get this thing back on track. I vote 150gr. nosler partition for an all around use deer and elk bullet. That's what I decided to settle on with my 270 rifles. They always shot the 150's just fine and reached velocities in excess of 2900 fps. Pretty good for 22" tubed rifles. We all know Bob loved the 130's and for good reason. I also agree with some of the others that said, use what shoots best in said rifle. Really, there's probably not enough difference in these bullet weights to even tell the difference on game, at any sane shooting distance...
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Alright, how did this turn into a 338wm vs. 270 thread? Lets get this thing back on track. I vote 150gr. nosler partition for an all around use deer and elk bullet. That's what I decided to settle on with my 270 rifles. They always shot the 150's just fine and reached velocities in excess of 2900 fps. Pretty good for 22" tubed rifles. We all know Bob loved the 130's and for good reason. I also agree with some of the others that said, use what shoots best in said rifle. Really, there's probably not enough difference in these bullet weights to even tell the difference on game, at any sane shooting distance... For sure. Couldn't agree more. For normal ranges you cannot pick a bad one from the 270's. I kinda gravitate towards the 150's as I have a slew of them and BBC's to go along with them, but have been shooting the 130 Tipped TBBC in my little Featherweight. Wouldn't even blink about using it for just about anything.
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I traded for some 270 bullets and I acquired some 130 and 140 grain Partitions. I have been a big fan of 150 grain bullets in the 270 in the past but can't really say a 130 or 140 grain Partition would do any differently than a 150. It seems odd that there would be three very similar bullets made in one caliber 10 grains apart in weight. I can say the 130 grain Partition will out penetrate either the Speer or Hornady 150 grain spitzers and spire points which I have used to good effect on Elk, Mule deer and Whitetails. The next hunt this rifle will go on will be for Mule deer in an area well known for being windy and open. All depends on what you want from the bullet. For example, if what you want with an expanding bullet is primarily penetration for mid size game animal hunting (antelope, deer, sheep, and so on), then the 130 grainer is fine. But if you want the most penetration on moose and elk size animals, then step up to the 150 grainer (.279 SD). The 140 grainer works well, too (.261 SD), but the 150 is king. The said, a 130-140 monolithic bullet should be more than plenty for moose and elk (it will out-penetrate the Partition). I personally would choose a 150-grain controlled expanding bullet such as the 150-grain Partition or Accubond for everything.
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My 270 Shoots the 140gr Accubonds and the 150gr Partitions about the same as far as accuracy goes. My observation is the partitions penetrate a little deeper and the Accubonds make a Bigger wound channel. I get 3000fps with the 150gr Partitions and 3100fps with the Accubonds. I,m working on loads for the 130gr Barnes TTSX and the 110gr TTSX. I get 3400fps with RL16 and RL17 using the 110gr Barnes.
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Please do not tell any animals about this.... But I grew up and have continued to use Nosler Part. & BT's that are Factory seconds. 150's always in the 270win. They have always been reliable and accurate for me. So I stopped looking for the answer to the problem I was not having.
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A .270 was meant to shoot a 130gr bullet. Maaaybe a 140.
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If yer gonna shoot 140s, ya need a 280:
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If yer gonna shoot 140s, ya need a 280: Care to share why you think you need a 280 to shoot 140s?
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