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Have used a 2.5-10 NSX a bit now and have been going back and forth on trying the SHV 3-10. Took a look today and see a new reticle, #4A with illuminated dot. Sweet!

....then I look a little more and the 3-10 isn't available with illumination, kinda figured that....then the real kicker, the #4A isn't available in North America. Why?

...."designed exclusively for its international markets".......

http://armsvault.com/2018/02/nightforce-optics-introduce-4a-reticle-iwa/

Thank really sucks! Any particular reason why this isn't offered in the US?

Because US shooters like to have complicated reticles for shooting deer at 100 yards or less at Twilight.

How about just a simple and plain old duplex.

They need to put all of them on the buffet. Fatplex.

They have the Forceplex which is basically identical to a Leupold duplex. It’s visible in anything resembling legal hunting hours.

I just picked up an SHV 3-10 with the Forceplex or what is otherwise a plain ol' duplex reticle. Illumination on the 3-10 Forceplex would be the cat's azz.

C'mon NF, light those hunting reticles up!
WTF!

When I bought my 3-10 SHV at the end of the year black Friday? sales I just knew they were gonna put a 'lit' button on them, mine has the foreplex reticle, and is running like a champ so far on my 7 Mashburn Super.

That kind of stuff only happens to me... So on that note, the illumination should be out any day of the 3-10 Forceplex.

It's been a couple months, has anyone spoken to NF to get an answer to this?

It’d be would be very, very nice unless they’d add another 4 0z to the scope in the process.

Having played with the 3-10x42 SHV a lot more, I now think the duplex, aka Forceplex, would be well served to hit the buffet as JCMCUBIC suggested. In fact, I’d make it twice as thick starting at 5MOA from center. The existing duplex gets thicker at 2.5 MOA, so fattening it up at 5 would add a windage reference and make it easier for my 51year old eyes to pick up at last light in the timber. I’ve got a 1.5-8x32 Vortex that is a better last light scope than the NF only due to a better reticle, the G4 BDC.

It looks like a dud #4 anyway.

Yeah, it's a skinny jeans metrosexual #4.

I like prm's suggestion on the Forceplex. If they thickened the outer bars it would go a long way in low light...and wouldn't hinder anything in regular light.

I just got my first look at a 3-10x NF SHV Forceplex this past Saturday. Lots to like about that scope. I liked it a lot more than that IMR, IHR, or whatever reticle NF calls it. Is it supposedly as bulletproof as the rest of the NF stuff?

According to Form, the SHV is solid from his testing. Maybe not quite to the levels of the high-end NF stuff, but no slouch either. Which is understandable since the top-tier stuff is 2-3 times the cost.

Right on Lonny. Thanks.

John, you thinking of throwing down and trying a NF SHV? Love to hear what you think should you go for it...Especially, since you and I seem to like the Leupold VX6’s we own...I have a few LRHSi coming this month, which will be a new experience. I can see my way to a NF SHV...But, after you dip your toe first...😂😎 Mark

I started shooting a 3-10 SHV this spring and I think the Forceplex is much better than the IHR. I've only got a couple hundred rounds through it so I can't speak much on the bulletproofness, but it seems to be built like a tank. Footprint wise, it's basically the same as the 2.5-10x42 NXS....but it's slightly heavier, even without illumination, so it's a solid little chunk. If the Forceplex had thicker outer duplex bars I'd probably have a couple more of them.

never understood the clamoring for the #4 reticle, other than it typically has german with the name. I think that is the only reason people claim it prefer it. I can't see how the duplex reticle isn't better in low light than a #4. frankly I wish they would just offer a plain old mil dot. but that would be too boring.

There are big differences in #4's. One like Meopta has in the 6x42 is very thick with the main bars coming close to center. It makes it easy to find in low light and thick brush. The main bars being so close allow the user to shoot even if they can't see the finer crosshair intersection. The intersection is fine enough that it won't interfere with group shooting or fine targets:




Very different from how finely subtensioned and widely spaced NF's #4 is:




I think you are correct that a (heavy) duplex with the same subtensions as a given #4 will be easier to use in low light as the top bar provides another reference. A little while back I did some testing on a dark horse at night with several different reticles and the heavy duplex was faster to align than a #4. Could be done fine with either but the 4th post helped. I think most like the #4's open top for the view during daylight more than at last light.

There is no comparison between a Leupold Duplex or Nightforce Forceplex (Duplex) and a Meopta #4 or Vortex G4 BDC when in the eastern dark timber in low light. Have had them all and compared extensively. Maybe stating "no comparison" is a bit strong, but the #4 in each case is clearly superior, with no loss of fidelity for bench shooting.

Try both of them in very lowlight and get back to me.

Yep, that's a #4 that can do something for you.

It’s no surprise that you don’t understand the German #4