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Bet that 18 tear old undertrained helmsman was fully trained and up to date on all the sensitivity, diversity, and various other feel good training requirements that have appeared during the recent administrations efforts to undermine and discredit all branches of the armed forces. Yeah, and maybe he didn't identity as a "helmsman" that day.
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The Captain took the fall for what is really a Navy wide problem of chitty recruits who are under trained. Way too much time and effort put into PC training and way to little time and effort put into skill training. The Captain is ultimately responsible and made some poor decisions but is most likely a diversity promotion and was never competent to begin with. Burning him to the ground when he was set up to fail would just be cruel. It will take years to correct the damage to our military but it will get done as the elite come to the realization that the Chinese are for real. The socialist elites are too busy chasing Russian ghosts while the Chinese are stealing our highest value intellectual property. Once the chins have stolen our intellectual property, they cancel contracts to purchase those underlying goods.The cost of that is in the billions.Plenty of dough for at the very least, rudimentary Navy upgrades. BTW- barrack hussein was too askeered to do anything about this and only gave the chinese a cursory look.
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Drudge reports something going on in the South China sea. Not much info but seems China has sent forces to react to two US ships there
Calls it "Serious Incident"
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Pure damned ignorance. Recruits not having the sense to pour piss from a boot nor the ability to learn. Reduced mental and physical requirements as to allow more American minoritys to participate, then promoting them to top positions, they still not having brains to pour that same piss from that boot.
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Anyone, in any branch, over O4 (O5 max) should be sent home.
"Thank you for your 'service', now leave."
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18 yr old what e-2 , e -3 .....
Anyone wanna bet Mr undertrained helmsman might been on his smart phone also.
Nice to know a multi kazzilion dollar warship is put in the hands
Of an 18 yr old in a major shipping channel
While others can basically go fu ck off and sleep or whatever....
Oh we are good to go
Seaman schmedlap is at the helm
Pass the bacon bits will ya.....
Wtf.....
Navy doing some CYA.....
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A 18 year old helmsman steers where some officer tells him to
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It's a Commander taking responsibility fo r what happened under his command.
And these zombies line up and eat from the media’s trough
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A 18 year old helmsman steers where some officer tells him to Well said... When the OOD told me to change course to "X" I said, "YES SIR" and changed effing course.. And yes - at the time I was 18 years old and a 'non-qual' to boot..
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Its not just the Navy. I caught a brief news bit of a bunch of Airforce personnel assigned to guarding a secret Airforce installation that got busted using and selling meth. Maybe that ties in with a news report about gangs infiltrating the Army and Marine Corp. Bad news...
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Bet that 18 tear old undertrained helmsman was fully trained and up to date on all the sensitivity, diversity, and various other feel good training requirements that have appeared during the recent administrations efforts to undermine and discredit all branches of the armed forces. This kwg
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On the bridge of a destroyer there is always an OOD when at sea and he takes orders from a CDO who may or may not be on the bridge.
The OOD tells the helmsman to come x degrees port or starboard, Make your course xxx degrees and the helmsman does that and only that. He does not have any say in the matter whatsoever. He does not make any independent decision as to which way to go. EVER. There is a radar operator on the bridge. He may keep OOD advised of other traffic and the range and bearing of each. There will be port and starboard wing watches armed with binos to advise OOD of traffic because radar is neither infallible nor unbreakable.
OOD fugged it up. CDO may be responsible as well. Captain is always on the hook for any operation of the ship. I had one captain that we named captain crunch. After the 3rd crash trying to park it when he had already waived off a tug sent without his request he got a new job driving a desk.
In harbors and crowded shipping lanes a captain may request a tug and/or a pilot.
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Nothing.....including leadership!!
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WTF is going on in the Navy ? Drunkenness, sodomy and the lash.  Just remember that the majority upper echelon of the Officer Corps in all branches are those who survived the Obama leadership purge. Good point. Don't know about the sodomy and the lash.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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On the bridge of a destroyer there is always an OOD when at sea and he takes orders from a CDO who may or may not be on the bridge.
The OOD tells the helmsman to come x degrees port or starboard, Make your course xxx degrees and the helmsman does that and only that. He does not have any say in the matter whatsoever. He does not make any independent decision as to which way to go. EVER. There is a radar operator on the bridge. He may keep OOD advised of other traffic and the range and bearing of each. There will be port and starboard wing watches armed with binos to advise OOD of traffic because radar is neither infallible nor unbreakable.
OOD fugged it up. CDO may be responsible as well. Captain is always on the hook for any operation of the ship. I had one captain that we named captain crunch. After the 3rd crash trying to park it when he had already waived off a tug sent without his request he got a new job driving a desk.
In harbors and crowded shipping lanes a captain may request a tug and/or a pilot. Ummm, there ain't no CDO underway. That is a tied to the pier thing.... Why the hell would you need a Command Duty Officer if the ship is at sea? Skipper row to shore at night? I gotta be honest here, you don't know what you are talking about do you?
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Its not just the Navy. I caught a brief news bit of a bunch of Airforce personnel assigned to guarding a secret Airforce installation that got busted using and selling meth. Maybe that ties in with a news report about gangs infiltrating the Army and Marine Corp. Bad news... Wow?? You live where?? This is new or news to you? We have been knowing and living with that at Ft Campbell since the early to mid 1990s. AND then the crap transcends generational, most the teen gangbangers now, are army brats that took this up from their soldier parent. Ahhh the good ole sheeithole melting pot of a military town of a 100k "heroes" I know I know Ft Campbell,ky home of the 101st airborne. Probably never heard of it.
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Females, queers and democrats...in a nutshell
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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On the bridge of a destroyer there is always an OOD when at sea and he takes orders from a CDO who may or may not be on the bridge.
The OOD tells the helmsman to come x degrees port or starboard, Make your course xxx degrees and the helmsman does that and only that. He does not have any say in the matter whatsoever. He does not make any independent decision as to which way to go. EVER. There is a radar operator on the bridge. He may keep OOD advised of other traffic and the range and bearing of each. There will be port and starboard wing watches armed with binos to advise OOD of traffic because radar is neither infallible nor unbreakable.
OOD fugged it up. CDO may be responsible as well. Captain is always on the hook for any operation of the ship. I had one captain that we named captain crunch. After the 3rd crash trying to park it when he had already waived off a tug sent without his request he got a new job driving a desk.
In harbors and crowded shipping lanes a captain may request a tug and/or a pilot. Ummm, there ain't no CDO underway. That is a tied to the pier thing.... Why the hell would you need a Command Duty Officer if the ship is at sea? Skipper row to shore at night? I gotta be honest here, you don't know what you are talking about do you? OODs can be non line officers. We set the same watches in port or at sea I do not know was it because we were at war at that time or whether it was because the ship had to be available to get under way at any time. Not all on board officers were equal. While we did not have a doctor or chaplain on board, regardless of rank a doctor or chaplain is not going to command a ship for instance. Obviously OOD did not stand quarterdeck watch at sea since that post was not set. OOD was on the bridge and executed captin's orders and could be a chaplain. Quarterdeck watch OOD could be a senior petty officer. I do not know for absolute certain, but my assumption was that CDO underway was just a name to fill a slot when the captain was indisposed (ubavailable).
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