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Perhaps some have recognized that the addition of more people to an already overpopulated world is not the best answer. Abortion has not taught young people that human life is not important; the sheer volume of human life is doing that. Indeed, a large portion of people who are, in theory, pro-life, are vociferously in favor of the elimination of some human life if said humans are of the wrong color, wrong social standing, or profess belief in the wrong god. I do not necessarily like the idea of abortion and I think pro-active birth control is much more desirable but this is where we are. GD

So the govt has no legitimate role in protecting humans (their citizens)?

You need to come up with a different schtick than the silly "religious" angle that you always pull, as it has grown old long ago. A person has the right to protection. You would agree on that, I assume. So the only difference is defining when does the embryo/fetus become a human person. That has nothing to do with religion.

Biology, genetics, human experience, and yes religion, all point in the direction of personhood at conception. Stop letting your anti-religious bias color your view of what is the legitimate role of govt in protecting its citizens.

Yeah, murder is a great method of population control. SMH.

I see the globalist Marxist cabal has fooled the Irish into supporting their own genocide in a vote that went 66% to 33% in favor of self-genocide.

Give it 100 years and the Irish won't be recognizable as a people and Ireland won't be Irish.

Every woman sitting on a gold mine...

Its amazing how easy it is for women to be able to find a man to help them out or relieve stress or frustration, compared to how many women are as helpful and accomodating to frustrated men. Women dont care if men live in misery and they are the ones who spend their life bitching as if they had something that had them miserable and itching.

Concerned about abortion, but not concerned about the pandemic sexual abuse of helpless children...

More than not concerned, actually. Covering for it, and doing it for centuries.

Let women decide what to do with their bodies, not a bunch of meddling men thumping a bible.

I don't need arbitrary women voting on my right to guns, vasectomy, peenis tattoos, anal bleaching, nose job,,,,or anything else I might decide is my business.

You had better check out your local public school. The rates of abuse by teachers is much higher, and we don't know what has been covered up like the abuse in the UK that we just now are getting a glimpse of.

Again,

Not everyone accepts your religious inspired definition.

Again,

Not everyone accepts your religious inspired definition.

No.

Earlier, or perhaps in the other related thread I mentioned how not everyone agrees on the definition of "person-hood". As for you claim of a universal agreement upon personhood at conception, that claim was thoroughly rebuffed by the recent Irish vote and polls in the U.S demonstrating a wide majority of Americans disagree with you as well.

I never said there's not place for government in the protection of life, just that your definition is in the minority.

I'd like to see some of those numbers for comparison.

Where would I find that?

Teachers DO do that. And go to jail for it, too. There's one difference, right there. Teachers don't have the Pope covering it up for them either.

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

By James Tillman and John Jalsevac

WASHINGTON, DC, April 1, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In the last several weeks such a quantity of ink has been spilled in newspapers across the globe about the priestly sex abuse scandals, that a casual reader might be forgiven for thinking that Catholic priests are the worst and most common perpetrators of child sex abuse.

But according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

After effectively disappearing from the radar, Shakeshaft’s study is now being revisited by commentators seeking to restore a sense of proportion to the mainstream coverage of the Church scandal.

According to the 2004 study “the most accurate data available at this time” indicates that “nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”

“Educator sexual misconduct is woefully under-studied,” writes the researcher. “We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators and targets. There are many questions that call for answers.”

In an article published on Monday, renowned Catholic commentator George Weigel referred to the Shakeshaft study, and observed that “The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague” in which Catholic priests constitute only a small minority of perpetrators.

While Weigel observes that the findings of Shakeshaft’s study do nothing to mitigate the harm caused by priestly abuse, or excuse the “clericalism” and “fideism” that led bishops to ignore the problem, they do point to a gross imbalance in the level of scrutiny given to it, throwing suspicion on the motives of the news outlets that are pouring their resources into digging up decades-old dirt on the Church.

“The narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down," he writes.

Weigel observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”

Despite these facts, however, “the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young.”

Outside of the Church, Shakeshaft is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools. Sherryll Kraizer, executive director of the Denver-based Safe Child Program, told the Colorado Gazette in 2008 that school employees commonly ignore laws meant to prevent the sexual abuse of children.

“I see it regularly,” Kraizer said. “There are laws against failing to report, but the law is almost never enforced. Almost never.”

“What typically happens is you’ll have a teacher who’s spending a little too much time in a room with one child with the door shut,” Kraizer explained. “Another teacher sees it and reports it to the principal. The principal calls the suspected teacher in and says ‘Don’t do that,’ instead of contacting child protective services.”

“Before you know it, the teacher is driving the student home. A whole series of events will unfold, known to other teachers and the principal, and nobody contacts child services before it’s out of control. You see this documented in records after it eventually ends up in court.”

In an editorial last week, The Gazette revisited the testimony of Kraizer in the context of the Church abuse scandal coverage, concluding that “the much larger crisis remains in our public schools today, where children are raped and groped every day in the United States.”

“The media and others must maintain their watchful eye on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions,” wrote The Gazette, “But it’s no less tragic when a child gets abused at school.”

In 2004, shortly after the Shakeshaft study was released, Catholic League President William Donohue, who was unavailable for an interview for this story, asked, “Where is the media in all this?”

“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.

“All those reporters, columnists, talking heads, attorneys general, D.A.‘s, psychologists and victims groups who were so quick on the draw to get priests have a moral obligation to pursue this issue to the max. If they don’t, they’re a fraud.”

Who gives a flying fugg about so called 'minority'. If you think majority is the litmus for right, then Hillary should be president.

Since you say it is the minority, then aren't minorities the new ruling class?

Again,

Not everyone accepts your religious inspired definition.

Spoken like a Nazi. Good job!

The next step is to make others PAY for these "medical procedures"....not everyone accepts the statist definition; some people still consider it theft.