|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030 |
Read the link carefully and see where your favorite bore cleaner comes in .Coretac does not make cleaning solvents by the way. I put KG12 on a tarnished penny and it dissolved half of it in no time at all. Let me attach this once again I noticed WIpeout is not on the list. Coretac doesn't make cleaning solvents but their website says that they are "The Canadian Distributor for KG Products." You don't reckon that might bias their opinion, do you?
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,344
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,344 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 29,383
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 29,383 |
Read the link carefully and see where your favorite bore cleaner comes in .Coretac does not make cleaning solvents by the way. I put KG12 on a tarnished penny and it dissolved half of it in no time at all. Let me attach this once again I noticed WIpeout is not on the list. Coretac doesn't make cleaning solvents but their website says that they are "The Canadian Distributor for KG Products." You don't reckon that might bias their opinion, do you? No, only that they sell quality products. I have used pretty much all the solvents in that test. I am down to Kg1,3 and 12 and Wipeout. Have you used their product?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030 |
No but I'm curious. Who conducted the test and what were their methods?
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366 |
Some people had the time to do independent tests. Back in 2012 there were guys on Snipers Hide or Shooter's Forum that put Copper bullets in Copper fouling bore cleaner solutions, while weighing the bullets before and after. Typically Bore tek lost no weight and the KG12 bullet lost 1.8 grains overnight. If you want to relive 2012, there is a new scale I got for $18 that is very accurate and precise. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0731F3F2N/
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030 |
I wonder how much solvent they used? And whether they used the same volume of the foaming bore cleaners in their liquid state? That would be an equivalent volume of solvent.
Seems that a test where you plunk a whole bullet into an unspecified volume of solvent is not very similar to what happens inside a rifle bore with a thin film of solvent contacting the bore.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366 |
I wonder how much solvent they used? And whether they used the same volume of the foaming bore cleaners in their liquid state? That would be an equivalent volume of solvent.
Seems that a test where you plunk a whole bullet into an unspecified volume of solvent is not very similar to what happens inside a rifle bore with a thin film of solvent contacting the bore. There are billions of out of control variable in gun culture mythology, but focusing on that one for a moment...... I don't see an easy experiment. When you smear on the solvent, there are more variables than viscosity. And there is the weight of the smeared fluid. We don;t know how thick Copper fouling is. KG12 does not remove Copper as much as give Kroil or Witches Brew a crack to creep under. A not perfect way would be to: 0) Clean the bullet of finger prints 1) Weigh the bullet 2) Smear the bullet with solvent. 3) Weigh the bullet with solvent and calculate smear wieight 4) Wait 5) rinse the bullet 6) dry the bullet 7) weigh the bullet. 8) plot different solvent's smear weights vs Copper loss
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,187
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,187 |
I don’t have any of the pics any more because the host quit me, but it was about 2012 that i put pics of my copper cleaner test on Shooters Forum. It was a matter of covering bullets in various cleaners. Nothing comes remotely close to KG-12 for etching the gilding metal of bullet jackets. I do have and use Boretech products as well, and they’re quite good. Nevertheless, if I have a _serious_ copper fouling issue, it’s a waste of time to start anywhere other than KG-12, in terms of chemical cleaners.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,030 |
Nevertheless, if I have a _serious_ copper fouling issue, it’s a waste of time to start anywhere other than KG-12, in terms of chemical cleaners. Ten out of twelve Gunsmiths agree!!
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,197
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,197 |
It would interesting to note how many people posting have a bore scope.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,366 |
Ten out of twelve Gunsmiths agree!!
"gunsmith" is a loose term, only outdone by "girlfriend".
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 3,073
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 3,073 |
It would interesting to note how many people posting have a bore scope. I have one. That being said, I don't go for a completely clean barrel as most do; never understood that logic. A little fouling is a good thing as far as accuracy is concerned.
24HCF in its entirety, is solely responsible for why my children do not have college funds, my mortgage isn't paid-off and why I will never retire early enough to enjoy the remainder of my life.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 45,017
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 45,017 |
Montana extreme copper killer JB paste Hoppes #9
Depends on level of clean needed or desired for the particular gun I am cleaning.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 337
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
... I put KG12 on a tarnished penny and it dissolved half of it in no time at all. Not only that, it contains cyanide, according to the MSDS sheet KG12 MSDSThey don't say what the concentration is ("classified information"?) and it's obviously deemed safe for sale to the general public, but still....
Canada: Everything from Eh to Zed.
|
|
|
|
552 members (153, 10gaugeman, 1234, 160user, 10Glocks, 53 invisible),
2,382
guests, and
1,265
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,530
Posts18,472,693
Members73,939
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|