24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
G
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
G
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
Whee shave the stories, of likes of
Hill, Page and McIntosh gone?

The words transcribed so we readers may feel the rush of a grouse flushed, or the feel of stinging rain and biting wind.
So many articles once allowed us to taste the bourbon and smell the woodsmoke through words. Now, it seems like mere clinical data and advertising


The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude


Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell


GB1

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Books. Buy books. Don't see much if what you describe in the magazines published today, but there are scads of collections by the great outdoor writers of yesterday (and some of today) as well as "best of" collections from the sporting magazines featuring multiple writers. A little online scouting will fix you up.

Another great way to find good stuff is to hit the used book stores and indoor flea markets and antique stores. I can spend hours thumbing through shelves of old books looking for nuggets.


What fresh Hell is this?
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 148
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 148
Look for some old Jack O'Connor or Robert Ruark books ..Amazon or used book stores >>Horn of the Hunter is one of the best..Ossa and Martin Johnson's "I married Adventure" is fantastic....Good Alaska book is about Hal Waugh ands his outfitting

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
G
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
G
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
Books you say?. I'll be dsmbed.


Maybe, just maybe I was referring to most current writers. Their writings seem so clinical and without soul. Essentially 400 word product advertisements


The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude


Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell


Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,213
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,213
The Big 3 hunting a fishing magazines....Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, and Sports Afield, had some great outdoor writers who regularly wrote for them. But that was a long time ago. I was a regular reader of them, and grew up reading those stories. It all changed as America changed, and we as sportsman changed. At one time, small game was the bread and butter of hunting stories.......quail, ducks, grouse, rabbits, doves, squirrels.....because that's what we mostly hunted. Then came the whitetail deer explosion, and that became the focus of the writers and the magazines.

Todays writers are more about pushing the products of their sponsors than they are anything else.

IC B2

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,342
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,342
I have been accumulating annual collections of old American Rifleman magazines. They offer extensive article. Just finished a 2 part, written by WDM Bell himself, talking about his rifles and hunts. There are long articles by Townsend Whelen, Nash Buckingham, Elmer Keith, Pope, Neidner, etc. Lots of hunting tales and lots of technical stuff.
Guessing the editors of decades gone by, were interested in stories and details without the space limitations of todays rags.
The magazines used to have considerably more pages each month than we seem to see in todays infomercials.
I agree with the earlier comments that books are the way to go today.
Boddington and Barsness are capable of pretty good tale telling, but magazine editors don't seem to give them the space, so...get their books.


Imagine your grave on a windy winter night. You've been dead for 70 years.
It's been 50 since a visitor last paused at your tombstone.....
Now explain why you're in a pissy mood today.
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Books you say?. I'll be dsmbed.


Maybe, just maybe I was referring to most current writers. Their writings seem so clinical and without soul. Essentially 400 word product advertisements


Don't be dsmbed, sounds painful.

Current writers are trying to make a living, therefore write what they're told to write. They're told by editors who are told by the advertising department.

Successful Hunter is full of stories, but it ain't Ruark or Corbett; the writers are definitely second stringers. The last Sporting Classics I bought was okay.


What fresh Hell is this?
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 38,901
Likes: 6
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Content
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 38,901
Likes: 6
Perhaps the problem lies in today's affluence. Back when magazines carried more stories fewer readers could afford the types of hunts that were written about and liked to be able to experience them vicariously. Today, many more readers can afford to go on such hunts themselves, making the audience for hunting stories smaller.


Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.

Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)

Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 151,768
Likes: 15
Campfire Savant
Online Content
Campfire Savant
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 151,768
Likes: 15
Younger hunters-gun enthusiasts are obsessed with max velocity, thousand yard shots, tactical rifles, black rifles, etc. They don’t care about the joy of being in the woods, hearing the birds, watching the squirrels, hearing the geese or sandhill cranes overhead migrating south. They gauge the success of their hunts by the game they kill and volume of it.

Writers by necessity write about what is in style to stay employed.

About half the guys on my lease are older, we hunt with Savage 99’s, Kleinguenthers, old model 70’s, the young boys are plastic stock kind of people. They don’t know the wonder of a Pre-64 model 70.

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,438
G
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
G
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,438
Sporting Classics magazine.....excellent writing by their staff.


You only live once, but...if you do it right, once is enough.
IC B3

Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,630
G
GRF Offline
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
G
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,630
Buy some Barseness Books. That man knows how to write when he has some editorial leash.

He wrote "A Caribou letter" 10 years or so ago in a Wolfe publication, he was fully able to capture the "why" of caribou hunting.

If not for punitive exchange rate and shipping costs I would have all his books.

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,571
W
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
W
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,571
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Books you say?. I'll be dsmbed.


Maybe, just maybe I was referring to most current writers. Their writings seem so clinical and without soul. Essentially 400 word product advertisements









Well, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Must be a duck. I'm on board with your observation.








Take care, Willie


Cry to the heavens and let slip the dogs of war. For they must feed on the bones of tyranny. In order for men to have freedom and liberty.
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,160
Likes: 13
M
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,160
Likes: 13
GRF,

Thanks!

There are several reasons stories left the magazines.

When I started writing for a living in the 1970's, hunting and fishing stories were in far more demand. In fact in the late 1970's a new magazine named Gray's Sporting Journal appeared, almost entirely filled with stories, along with story-telling paintings and photographs. Field & Stream and Sports Afield regularly published such stories as well; the only one of the "Big Three" that didn't was Outdoor Life, because it had carved out a niche as a nuts & bolts how-to magazine.

My first two magazine sales were stories, the first on a day spent flyfishing in the Wyoming winter, published by Sports Illustrated (back then it still ran "blood sports" articles). The second was to Gray's, an elk hunting tale. From then through about 1990, outdoor story-telling was the majority of my living, and I wrote stories not only for SI, Gray's, F&S and SA but several other magazines.

But around 1990 the market started changing. Up until then, magazines tried to attract readers, and if they attracted enough readers, advertisers were happy to buy ads because they'd be seen by so many readers. The bigger outdoor magazines, such as Field & Stream, were selling well over a million copies a month, so also sold a lot of advertising, and not just for outdoor gear but beer, hard liquor, cigarettes and cars.

But more hunters and anglers became focused on specific game and fish, and many hunters also focused on firearms. So-called "vertical" magazines, with a more narrow focus such as hunting rifles, fishing tackle, largemouth bass or whitetailed deer appeared, taking some "market share" from the general-interest outdoor magazines that covered a little of everything.

Second, a company in New York City that published such smaller, more specialized magazines figured out that advertisers would pay to have "product placement" in the articles. This resulted in hunting stories that started something like this: "In the pre-dawn darkness I slid out of my Super Soft sleeping bag, slipped into my Stealth Camo clothing and Ridgerunner boots, and scarfed down a High Energy Breakfast Bar before grabbing my Remington 700 BDL 7mm Remington Magnum and stepping out of the High Line Tent."

The bigger magazines resisted this trend, but eventually couldn't entirely because the vertical magazines were taking away readers and advertisers. One of the interesting things about this era is that most hunting and fishing gear manufacturers couldn't afford to advertise in the big magazines, because the ads were so expensive--the reason many ads were for other products, especially whiskey and tobacco. Those ads were called "brown money," but eventually ads for alcohol and tobacco started decreasing in outdoor magazines, for various reasons. But during the alcohol/cigarette/car advertising era, editorial and advertising departments in the big magazines were completely separate: The editorial department tried to attract readers, the advertising department tried sell ads, with no interaction between them.

Eventually other magazine publishers started following the lead of the product-placement publisher in New York, and over the next few years advertisers learned to EXPECT editorial coverage of their products. (Interestingly, the publishing company that started the trend went broke a couple years ago, and while they managed to sell off some of their magazines, is no longer in business.)

But the other side of the "story" story is that readers became less interested in hunting and fishing tales. Instead they wanted more how-to and gear information. This may have been partly due to TV shows, but to a certain extent it's always been true. Gray's Sporting Journal's circulation is pretty low compared to more gear-and technique oriented magazines, and even when Field & Stream regularly running stories, they published far more how-to and gear articles.

Books of hunting and fishing stories have also never sold nearly as well as how-to/gear books. Jack O'Connor's best-sellers were his rifle books, not his collections of hunting stories. Both sold well enough make a profit, but the big sellers were books like The Hunting Rifle.

The same applies to my own books. I've published two collections of hunting tales. Some of the stories were written just for the books, but others had previously appeared in various magazines, including American Hunter, Field & Stream, Gray's Sporting Journal, Sports Afield and Successful Hunter. The first collection, The Life of the Hunt, was originally published as a hardcover in 1996. Back then it won various awards, and has continued to sell all right ever since, including the present paperback edition. But my rifle books sell far better, especially The Big Book of Gun Gack. Since Gack appeared in 2015, almost as many copies have been sold as The Life of the Hunt in its 20+ years.

So yes, the magazines have changed since the 1980's. The big transition to more gear-oriented articles took place in the 1990's, which is when I started writing regularly for gun magazines, partly because the story-telling market was drying up, and partly because gun-magazine editors asked me to. But it's also because most readers prefer reading about hunting rifles than hunting.

While that was always true to a certain extent, I suspect it's become more true as the United States has become more urban. Over 80% of us now live in cities, instead of rural areas, which makes it more and more expensive and time-consuming to shoot and hunt. As a result, most hunters spend more of their time fiddling with their gear, because they can't actually go hunting very much. In way, gear-obsession is a way to "hunt" the rest of the year, because most of us actually go hunting for relatively short periods.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
G
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
G
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,101
John. Your old column rifles and woodsmoke was one of my favorites, and while that dealt with "products" it never came across as "clinical as most other writers today


The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude


Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell


Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 64
H
Campfire Greenhorn
Offline
Campfire Greenhorn
H
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 64
Thanks John for the history lesson. I have some hunting story books from my dad's childhood (50's) and mine (70's and 80's). And a few newer than that. Been re-reading some of them to my suburban young kids (9 and 4). The stories engage their imagination much more than articles about "best glass for the money" or "best powder burn rates for the Creed" even though I can't stop reading those smile

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 20,905
Likes: 1
R
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
R
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 20,905
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Whee shave the stories, ..........


I have never shaved a story in my life......


"I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country."
Robert E. Lee
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,939
Likes: 3
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,939
Likes: 3
Mr Peabodies coal train, and all the TV hunting shows, done hauled them away.


Phil Shoemaker
Alaska Master Guide,
Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor
FAA Master pilot
www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com

Anyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,241
Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,241
Likes: 1
I also think the short attention spans of many of todays sportsmen plays into this. Why read when they can Google up a Youtube video and become experts in 3 minutes.
If it's stories you want, I have a stack of old Gray's Sporting Journals I'll make you a deal on.


Let's Go Brandon! FJB
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,828
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by 458Win
Mr Peabodies coal train, and all the TV hunting shows, done hauled them away.



Dang poor substitute, almost unwatchable for the most part.


What fresh Hell is this?
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,597
2
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
2
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,597
I remember an article about a big wild boar named old rip, people hunted it for years down south somewhere and when they finally killed it, they found about a half pound of bullets in it. There was another one about a kid on one of his first coon hunts, he climbed way up a tree because they couldn’t get a shot at the treed coon and things got pretty scary. Another one I remember was an article about a lot of different 22 rifles, ammo, and their performance on small game. Field and stream had a monthly article titled grandpa and the kid. These, and many other articles, all from hunting magazines I read growing up in the 80’s, really fueled my imagination and helped create the person I was to become and my pursuits in life. It’s to bad a lot of kids are not able to spend the time outdoors and have the freedom many of enjoyed growing up.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

568 members (1minute, 264magnum, 06hunter59, 222Sako, 160user, 10gaugemag, 65 invisible), 2,344 guests, and 1,269 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,192,538
Posts18,491,436
Members73,972
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.151s Queries: 55 (0.009s) Memory: 0.9140 MB (Peak: 1.0367 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-05 17:09:47 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS