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Having killed Roosevelt, rocky mtn and Columbia blacktail with rifle, muzzleloader, and compound bow, I’ve decided to take the next step, with a recurve... I was able to talk a local bowyer that does a very limited number of bows for folks, to build me a bow. I decided on tigerwood and local curly maple for the riser and tigerwood for the limbs. It’s coming along quite nicely.....
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Dunno why the mole pic showed up! Haha
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JM, Cool wood!! Gonna look awesome when it’s done like artwork..😎


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I was going to ask WTF the mole had to do w a custom bow!!

Use the Mole skin for lining the limb tips!

What are the specs on the recurve?

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I dunno know yet, I gave him my specs, hoping 60 ish lbs @ 29”-30”....


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Thanks man. A buddy of mine down in Oregon makes Douglas fir arrows with Turkey feather vanes, can’t wait to smoke something with it!!


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That looks like a good future hunting bow he is crafting. Doing it with wood arrows makes it even more challenging. Trad is my preferred method of "Eliting" (Some call it bowhunting) animals. Good luck with the new weapon. Unless your a strapping lad used to such a draw weight with no letoff you might regret 60# but since you can replace the limbs with lighter ones, you will have a way to go down in weight if you find it too much. In spite of how much I shoot both compound and trad, I can shoot all weekend at 65# with a compound but 50# with a longbow is far more taxing on the body.

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I could probably get by with a 70lb recurve princess..... hint....


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One of my first bows was a high country Xcaliber with custom 110 lbs limbs.. fuuckers looked like 2x4’s bolted to the riser....


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I have back issues.......when I'm hurt, 55# is almost too much.
Think my next Blackwidow build will be another SA2 at 52#.
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Found some heavier limbs for my 55#.............thought about getting them just for kicks.
But that means another shaft size to buy.

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Back when I was a kid in the early 80's the higher weights were no problem. Now in my mid 50's Im shooting 65# but with this bowtech 70# would be a non factor in warm weather but with a longbow, its a whole other bllgame. Ive been shooting trad for 45 years and learned late in life that I shoot so much better and constantly in the 48 to 50 lb range and have no problems passing through deer and bear with that weight. Too much draw weight can lead to poor form and follow through and I prize repeatable accuracy above all. (even pride) Ive coached a lot of strong guys to better shooting just by having them drop the draw weight. When you have been doing this for more than 4 decades, you pick up things. wink


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I guess I’m kinda a phenom, I’m 43 and gettin stronger... I’m sure 60 will be no problem...


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While many could be better served by lesser draw weight.......

I have seen too many on the low end that still shoot like crap.

Need to incorporate smart practice, whatever one chooses.
Fatigue I think a factor in developing bad form (and TP.).

Need to push mentally and physically, but only so far.

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Ya for sure.... practice is where it’s at for sure!!


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I quit for the day if I have two brain farts.
Some days I get to shoot longer than others.
Sometimes......simply run out of daylight
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Get into the groove soon enough.
Just don't want to start out on the wrong foot.

I'd like a FF rated rig at 60#.
And one at 55#
Another at 50#.

That'd cover it.
Chit................that's 3 grand or so.

Not gonna happen LOL

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Maybe two...........52 and 58#.

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I'm lookin forward to hang in some pics in the next year or two......


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Well crap.
Ol lady says kid has to take another class this summer to graduate.
Nother 1500 to pay out this week.

Better hold off on ordering a new Blackwidow one more yr.
Thought (for a minute) I could call Roger and have one before season.

Greybark, w big red stripe changed to black.

I could work Sat/Sun and just order the riser.
Work sucks though.

Won't unless windy'rainy...........if it's decent I'll be out shooting.

Seen some fantastic woods/colors in the Exotic builds. But for me, greybark is classic.
All three of my past builds have been GB.

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Ever check out blacktail? Damn nice bows...


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Blacktail..........
Even the stuff that's too ornate for my tastes...........is stunning.

Widows are way cheaper in comparison..........and I don't like beating them up LOL.

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Sent me a pic this morning, got the limbs glued up, lookin good....
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Thanks gents. Should be badass. I’ll post updates as I get em


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Gonna be awesome!

I have shot a Blacktail before, very sweeeeet.

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I hope you enjoy your new bow. Last summer I sold the last of my heavy recurves, 5 of them, all over 50lbs..... I have been on your journey, having bows from Bruin, Checkmate, New Wood etc. I now am shooting a 40lb long bow, which will kill well within 20 yards............ I love to shoot anything, that launches an arrow...... show the pics when its done

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Just sent me a pic, coming along nicely.....
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This must be the USED bow you were wanting to buy...Laffin, at myself 😂🤣😎


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Just sent me a pic, coming along nicely.....
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Yeah, that’s definitely a used bow. Jud, Hope you got it for a good a price. 😝🤓😑🤭😎


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Haha oh shiit!!!


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Originally Posted by groundhunter
I hope you enjoy your new bow. Last summer I sold the last of my heavy recurves, 5 of them, all over 50lbs..... I have been on your journey, having bows from Bruin, Checkmate, New Wood etc. I now am shooting a 40lb long bow, which will kill well within 20 yards............ I love to shoot anything, that launches an arrow...... show the pics when its done

What kind of longbow you shooting? I'm going down in weight too.

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I don't know if anybody told you but your draw length will get a bit shorter. I went from 29 1/4 to 26 1/2 . with my long bow. I'm looking at the great northern ghost recurve, short, fast light. have fun

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I don't know if anybody told you but your draw length will get a bit shorter. I went from 29 1/4 to 26 1/2 . with my long bow. I'm looking at the great northern ghost recurve, short, fast light. have fun


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I still draw 29.5 with a recurve. I'm 6'3 though.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
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I don't know if anybody told you but your draw length will get a bit shorter. I went from 29 1/4 to 26 1/2 . with my long bow. I'm looking at the great northern ghost recurve, short, fast light. have fun


That’s a good thing...JMan is built like a yard gnome on steroids. 😆😂😎


Geez thanks Mark, just when I thought I was sexy!!!! Haha


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Yes most that go from compound to trad dont understand the shorter draw length and the lesser pounds they will be able to pull. They have bows made only to regret being overbowed. If Ive seen it once, Ive seen it a hundred times. Pride keeps them from correcting their mistake and they develop bad habits, they get frustrated and give up. Its a consistent track for guys that wont listen to people who have been at this for many decades.


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Good talk princess....


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If shooting compounds w release, might find your trad DL to be longer.

Overbowed............

even if of lower #..............you might shoot too long and get fatigued, learn bad habits.

Smart practice should allow build up without corruption.

New bow, having fun, or getting frustrated.........it's easy to shoot too much.

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DL w wheels and release 28"
Wheels or trad fingers..........28.5"
Same stance for any......open.

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I wish I had a Black Tail. You could not have made a better choice..... they shoot smooooooooooth,,,,, your going to enjoy it. they are not cheap, but worth it

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Originally Posted by sharp_things
Yes most that go from compound to trad dont understand the shorter draw length and the lesser pounds they will be able to pull. They have bows made only to regret being overbowed. If Ive seen it once, Ive seen it a hundred times. Pride keeps them from correcting their mistake and they develop bad habits, they get frustrated and give up. Its a consistent track for guys that wont listen to people who have been at this for many decades.


Or maybe they shot real good with more weight when they were younger,maybe even good enough to win some State competitions,but after a few years they need to drop some draw weight, Just saying.

I do agree that any new trad shooter should start real light,45 lbs about max,with 35-40 even better.

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I used to hunt with a 60 at 28 Howatt Hunter. I was shooting full length 2117 XX75s drawing close to 32". The bow was tough to draw until I practiced for a couple of months, I would go out and shoot 6 or 8 arrows every time I thought about it. several times a day. Bought one of those Bowfit rubber band things and used it at work every night when I couldn't shoot. 60 is definitely doable you just have to work up your muscles and use proper technique. By the way that is going to be a beautiful bow.

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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I used to hunt with a 60 at 28 Howatt Hunter. I was shooting full length 2117 XX75s drawing close to 32". The bow was tough to draw until I practiced for a couple of months, I would go out and shoot 6 or 8 arrows every time I thought about it. several times a day. Bought one of those Bowfit rubber band things and used it at work every night when I couldn't shoot. 60 is definitely doable you just have to work up your muscles and use proper technique. By the way that is going to be a beautiful bow.


It is really a nice bow. I'm glad it wasn't purple heart and Osage. Boy,I've seen some guys pick some crap combinations. I think even beginning bowyers should tell clients hat looks good and what won't,even if it's what they really want.

You sure hit the nail on the head about PROPER TECHNIQUE, though I think it's most often referred to as form. That's the problem with a heavy bow. You will get tired and sloppy and likely develop bad habits that will be a lot harder to cure later. It really is a lot like shooting a rifle. A beginning archer doesn't need 60 lbs,anymore than a beginning shooter needs to start with a 300 win mag. You start off on a 22 and get your form down,then you gradually build up to whatever is the best for your game that you can shoot without getting sloppy in your form.

They say Howard Hill shot over 100 lbs routinely. He wasn't a huge man either,but he had shot endless hours for years building up to those weights. It's a different set of muscles that will grow, just don't start out too heavy and handicap yourself. I'm a big buy 6'3 slightly slouching,and 270 of not all fat. When I started getting serious about learning to shoot well,I started with a real cheap 40 lb bow and it was all I needed to hold while trying to get everything right. At this same time I hunted with a 85 lb compound,and had previously owned a 60 lb recurve bow that I had thought was light enough until, I started being taught by guys who had won national matches.

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I used to hunt with a 60 at 28 Howatt Hunter. I was shooting full length 2117 XX75s drawing close to 32". The bow was tough to draw until I practiced for a couple of months, I would go out and shoot 6 or 8 arrows every time I thought about it. several times a day. Bought one of those Bowfit rubber band things and used it at work every night when I couldn't shoot. 60 is definitely doable you just have to work up your muscles and use proper technique. By the way that is going to be a beautiful bow.


It is really a nice bow. I'm glad it wasn't purple heart and Osage. Boy,I've seen some guys pick some crap combinations. I think even beginning bowyers should tell clients hat looks good and what won't,even if it's what they really want.

You sure hit the nail on the head about PROPER TECHNIQUE, though I think it's most often referred to as form. That's the problem with a heavy bow. You will get tired and sloppy and likely develop bad habits that will be a lot harder to cure later. It really is a lot like shooting a rifle. A beginning archer doesn't need 60 lbs,anymore than a beginning shooter needs to start with a 300 win mag. You start off on a 22 and get your form down,then you gradually build up to whatever is the best for your game that you can shoot without getting sloppy in your form.

They say Howard Hill shot over 100 lbs routinely. He wasn't a huge man either,but he had shot endless hours for years building up to those weights. It's a different set of muscles that will grow, just don't start out too heavy and handicap yourself. I'm a big buy 6'3 slightly slouching,and 270 of not all fat. When I started getting serious about learning to shoot well,I started with a real cheap 40 lb bow and it was all I needed to hold while trying to get everything right. At this same time I hunted with a 85 lb compound,and had previously owned a 60 lb recurve bow that I had thought was light enough until, I started being taught by guys who had won national matches.


+1, the sooner you realize that shooting consistently has more to do with finesse than brute strength, the sooner you will become a competent barebow shot.


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My weight progression (or regression)......

Back in the old days & my last compound, I was shooting a Hoyt Pro Vantage with 50% let off set at 82 pounds with 2512's.

So based on that, my first custom recurve I bought had 68# limbs, and found it was too much. So I had a set of 62# limbs made for it. Once I settled into my shooting style, I used the 68's for elk hunting, and saved the 62's for deer at home in the cold. Soon there after, I had him build me another riser, so I could have two bows ready to go, and/or a backup for out of state hunts.

After several years, I sold both of those, and I ordered a new one to my specs, and specified it at 58#.

Fast forward several years, and I took it in to have it refinished, and asked him to drop the weight while he was at it. The weight is now at 54#.

My original longbow he had built for me was at 57#, and was OK, but when I had him build me a new one, I ordered around 50#, it came in at 52# which is just about right for me these days.

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Yes, as many are agreeing, I think the OP is in for a shock and will be ordering lower weight limbs. (we will never hear that part of the story though) Of he will stick with 60#, be overbowed and develop bad habits and give up (as I predicted in an earlier post). He will chicken neck trying to bring his face to the string instead of developing proper form.

Pride goes before the fall.

He will protest this.

I wont care. Ive seen it repeat itself over and over and over and over by all manner of guys that thought they knew what they were doing when they desired to dabble in trad.


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
Yes, as many are agreeing, I think the OP is in for a shock and will be ordering lower weight limbs. (we will never hear that part of the story though) Of he will stick with 60#, be overbowed and develop bad habits and give up (as I predicted in an earlier post). He will chicken neck trying to bring his face to the string instead of developing proper form.

Pride goes before the fall.

He will protest this.

I wont care. Ive seen it repeat itself over and over and over and over by all manner of guys that thought they knew what they were doing when they desired to dabble in trad.


Shart things, I guess this thread is to show a new custom recurve in its stages of being built, at no point have I asked for advice. Ol man got me my first recurve at age 8, I killed a woodpecker with it a couple days later... I've shot trad off n on for 35 years now, but just recently the fire really got rekindled...

So, if I were you, I'd be a little more concerned with that turkey gobbler restricting your breathing than worried about me driving arrows through the highly elusive Columbian blacktail and Roosevelt elk...... Hint


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Just order the lighter set of limbs now and save some time.

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Not all men are created equal, obviously..... I'm sorry your ol man raised a puzzy.....


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If I order anything, they will be 80lb limbs, if only because I can... Good talk softy


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Sure................. If Ive heard that BS once I've heard it 100 times. (even from accomplished bowhunters that wanted to try trad) . But you will of course be different. You are special. Everybody is a tough guy in the inter web.

Pride and ignorance go before the fall. wink

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I’m who I am 24/7/365 sweet chucks..... as stated, worry about yourself, no one asked for advice, just feel fortunate to being kept privy to watching a amazing piece of art being built, that is gonna to kill something other than farm animals... savvy?

Oh, the 80lbers are already ordered!!! Haha


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Originally Posted by Judman
I’m who I am 24/7/365 sweet chucks..... as stated, worry about yourself, no one asked for advice, just feel fortunate to being kept privy to watching a amazing piece of art being built, that is gonna to kill something other than farm animals... savvy?

Oh, the 80lbers are already ordered!!! Haha


You are again mistaken speed racer. I offered a prediction and a warning. You took it as advice (you need lots of that). It is a work of art that he is making. Ive never had somebody make a trad bow for me. I make my own. wink

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Post em up!! Along with some kill photos with said bows....


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Most recent kill was my 2016 Black bear with a bow I made and arrows I made using feathers from turkey I killed and Homemade broadheads I made from 7 1/4" circular saw blades and the finger tab I made from an old boot upper. The bow is a 48 Pound reflex/deflex I designed.

I won the hunt at a banquet. Ive never used a bear guide for any of my other bear. Ive taken 5 with a bow so far. (Never killed a bear with a gun and don't have the desire to) On the drive home I killed a 2nd smaller bear with my truck so I took that one home as well.

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I self filmed the hunt. 20 heard heart shot.


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An 8 pointer I took with all homemade gear (same bow I used for the bear above) but a different broadhead I made. I took him at 8 yards.

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The woods I used for that bow are South American hardwoods. The riser is made from Bubinga, Bloodwood and good old American hard rock maple from a tree my Dad cut many years ago. Sort of a legacy piece of wood, cut by my Dad, Made into a bow by me . I also used some of the Maple in the limbs.

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this is the order in which I stacked the layers.

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I used spring clamps because C-clams get loose during the heating process when the glue oozes out. (trust me, there is a lot of oozing) frown Spring clamps keep a constant pressure at all times.

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Next, I ran the block through my table saw to square it up and remove the excess glue.

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Then I drew the riser pattern on the wood and cut it out with a band saw and sanded the fade outs on a drum sander.

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The form I designed and built.

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The heater box to cure the epoxy.

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Next, I cleaned all the wood and glass surfaces and laid them in the order in which I would glue them.

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1. is .050 clear glass

2. is .020 kingwood vernier

3. is .090 thick hard maple taper (two pieces glued together to make one long piece)

4 and 5. is .065 thick hard maple taper (two pieces glued together to make one long piece)

6. is a piece of hard maple .060 parallel from the piece of wood my Dad cut. (two pieces glued together to make one long piece)

7. is .020 kingwood vernier

8. is .050 clear glass

Missing from the above picture is the riser.

After gluing up.

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That’s sweet!!!!! Haha


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Looks like a Boyd’s stock.... haha


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antler limb tips from one of my deer.

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I built a tillering tree to make sure both limbs acted the same.

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All hand made by me. And used to kill deer and bear.

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Homemade broadhead I designed and built and killed my last bear with. (Made from an old saw blade.)

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Oh wow such stellar work!!!!


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Originally Posted by Judman
Post em up!! Along with some kill photos with said bows....


You asked and wanted to see my gear and some kills. I had my first trad kill in 1974. (it was a mouse.) I still have that bow.

This is from a recent youth event I ran. 4 of the bows in that pic are my homemades. I built my first trad bow in 1988 (30 years ago). The year Fred Bear died.

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Ive been doing this a very long time and set up many archers and saw many guys switch to trad only to fail because pride had them overbowed. Ive seen it over and over and over.

I teach archery (archery merit badge, 4H shooting sports, Youth events I run or volunteer at, guys that come to my house referred by others I have set up, etc)

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You kill those bear the same place Troy Gentry did???? Hell I think that was even in your state wasn’t it???


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I don't know who that is.


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Sweet Jesus that’s funny!!!! Lmfao
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I got my bear with a bow that year. My younger brother got his with a old Marlin lever gun and my older brother got his bear with a 1895 Winchester 30-40 krag . All three of us scored that year.

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Again, very impressive....


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You killed a bear with your truck, and deer over an illegal bait site?



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Sweet Jesus that’s funny!!!! Lmfao
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Holy [bleep]! Is that sloth from the Goonies?
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Originally Posted by jackmountain
You killed a bear with your truck, and deer over an illegal bait site?


Yes to the bear with the truck. No to the deer over an illegal bait pile. I did however get a citation back in 2012 for feeding deer before the gun deer season. There was no corn present when I got my citation (hence the feeding prior to season citation) He looked (boy did he look. He was tipping over leaves hoping to find some but in the week prior, the deer licked it all up. His words

"Since there is no corn present now, Im going to cite you for feeding"

Sorry to burst your bubble. I know how badly you wanted it to be a baiting citation.

Maybe next time? wink


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I'm curious, where did you "poach" the pics from???? "Pun intended"...... haha


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Funny thing, I do have one ear slightly lower than the other. I picked up my new driving glasses on Tuesday and during the fit up the gal mentioned it and adjusted the frames for my terrible deformity. wink


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
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You killed a bear with your truck, and deer over an illegal bait site?


Yes to the bear with the truck. No to the deer over an illegal bait pile. I did however get a citation back in 2012 for feeding deer before the gun deer season. There was no corn present when I got my citation (hence the feeding prior to season citation) He looked (boy did he look. He was tipping over leaves hoping to find some but in the week prior, the deer licked it all up. His words

"Since there is no corn present now, Im going to cite you for feeding"

Sorry to burst your bubble. I know how badly you wanted it to be a baiting citation.

Maybe next time? wink



You bait animals to "hunt"???? WOW.......


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I'm curious, where did you "poach" the pics from???? "Pun intended"...... haha


My hard drive on my computer. Its where I keep my hunting photos and then I put them on a file sharing web site like Photobucket and Imgur.


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You bait animals to "hunt"???? WOW.......


Every Bear Ive killed over the years has been with bait. I don't care to hunt with hounds even though that is popular here. The other method (perhaps more popular in WI) is with bait. Ive been doing it that way since the 80's. Its a typical method of taking bear. Perhaps someday if you want to take up bear hunting, we can teach you about that too.

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I prefer not to bait anything...... I love to “hunt”..... hint


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I prefer not to bait anything...... I love to “hunt”..... hint


someday if you take up bear hunting we will talk.

Hint.


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I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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I can definitely see why you use a 40# bow, your azz is wider than your dainty shoulders....


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Actually 48# longbow. It really kills stuff dead and is a joy to shoot.

That was a 75# PSE in the bear pic. Notice the short aluminum arrows? That was back when overdraws were popular.

Young kids like would not remember those times.

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I prefer not to bait anything...... I love to “hunt”..... hint


someday if you take up bear hunting we will talk.

Hint.


I’ve killed more bear than I care to think about, I wouldn’t walk across the street to kill one nowadays....


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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Was that one with a truck?



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I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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When did they lower the score to 12”?????


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I woudnt enter it with P&Y either. Some shady (illegal) hunting practices may come to light....especially with your poaching record.



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I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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When did they lower the score to 12”?????


19" on that one. It was a boar (they have bigger noggins than sows) See how you are learning stuff now?


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
Actually 48# longbow. It really kills stuff dead and is a joy to shoot.

That was a 75# PSE in the bear pic. Notice the short aluminum arrows? That was back when overdraws were popular.

Young kids like would not remember those times.


Yes I had a darton lighting and a Pearson spoiler with overdraws on both of em.. re hint


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I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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When did they lower the score to 12”?????


I've seen black labs bigger than that dink



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Originally Posted by sharp_things
Sure you have. LOL wink


Oh Jesus Christ now bear are hard to kill!!! Lmfao


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I got this one (qualifies for P&Y but I never entered it) back in the 80's.

Over bait.

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When did they lower the score to 12”?????


I've seen black labs bigger than that dink


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Sure you have. LOL wink


Oh Jesus Christ now bear are hard to kill!!! Lmfao


No, nobody here said that but you. Stick around we will teach you. Bear die way faster than deer.


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Sure you have. LOL wink


Oh Jesus Christ now bear are hard to kill!!! Lmfao


Was the truck bumper OEM or a ranch hand? Heard you should use at least a 3/4 ton. 1/2 tons sometimes just wound.



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Oooops 6’1/2 ‘ killed 25 years ago


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Oh Jesus Christ now bear are hard to kill!!! Lmfao


No, nobody here said that but you. Stick around we will teach you. Bear die way faster than deer.


Who is "we"? You seem to be all alone here...



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Sure you have. LOL wink


Oh Jesus Christ now bear are hard to kill!!! Lmfao


Was the truck bumper OEM or a ranch hand? Heard you should use at least a 3/4 ton. 1/2 tons sometimes just wound.


Glad you are taking an interest. Ram 1500. Broke the skull with a dead center license plate hit. Lights out on the spot for that dumb sow..


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Oooops 6’1/2 ‘ killed 25 years ago


You pile corn in the road then run over it with a truck Jud?



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Oooops a another bear!!!
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Oooops 6’1/2 ‘ killed 25 years ago


LOL, picking random pics from the web to save face. LOL

exposed. hint

I know a guy who buys mounts too.

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Oh another!! Oh the mighty bear !!! So hard to come by!!!haha
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Taking pics of the web that you are scrambling for is so badass. We don't think less of you. wink

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This is the new world record but I chose not to enter it....
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Who's the fat guy with the cub? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. What a load in the orange vest. Hahahahahahshsahahahahaha. When that dope finds out you are posting his pics and embarrassing him with a cub he will be mad.

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Bear are easy to kill with a bow.

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It’s a world record I chose not to enter it!!!! I’m serious!!


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No seriously. Who is that fat turd in the pic wearing orange with the cub? Was that a gun kill? Do you know the guy or is that just another pic you found on the web?

That guy has more chins than a Chinese phone book.

LOL at guys that need a gun to kill a bear.

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Bears are easy to kill anyhow, should be like shootin fish in a barrel with they’re head stuck in a feed bucket


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Post another Holstein you shot tied up to a fence post with a belly full of corn and the imprint of a Dodge 1500 bumper on it's fore head. You're the next Fred Bear short_things.



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So come clean. Who is that fat turd in the orange vest with the cub? You posted it, Was it something you found on the web or do you know that lard azz?


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Have you ever killed a bear with a bow?


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This Chunnt is calling someone fat???? Fuuck you got fat rolls on your eyes you lard bucket!!!! Haha

How do you keep your eyes open????? Lmfao
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So who is that fat azz in that pic you stole? Have you ever killed a bear with a bow?

Hell my 12 year old niece has killed bear. If at some point you want to try to take a bear, she can school you. Hahahaahahaha

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But seriously, Have you killed a bear with a bow? And again, who is that fat turd in that orange vest with that cub. I want to know?

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Ugly runs in those genes..... haha


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The fat turd in action, rest assured I could do this with a bowl of goo like you as well.... haha
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You still have not answered the question. Who is the fat turd with the bear cub and have you ever killed a bear with a bow?

These are not hard questions. hint



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So you know that fat azz. You were at his same sex wedding. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.


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You still have not answered the question. Who is the fat turd with the bear cub and have you ever killed a bear with a bow?

These are not hard questions. hint



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Yes , now you see a man that can shoot a 65# recurve.... hint....


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Ron you can’t be talking [bleep]!!! Pointy head, jowels hangin to your knees, so fat you have rolls over your eyes...... must be the miricle whip????


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1. You have not answered the question. Have you killed a bear with a bow? (you would of course have pics and no you cant continue to steal pics off the web)

2. And who is the lard azz with the cub

3. And who is the fat guy carrying his bride at what must be a same sex wedding???

We want to know.


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You still have not answered the question. Who is the fat turd with the bear cub and have you ever killed a bear with a bow?

These are not hard questions. hint



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You going through papa Murphy’s withdrawals tons a fun?


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You catching flys or trolling for cock you lard bucket drooling mouth breather


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Still no answers.

Have you killed a bear with a bow?

Who is the tub of lard in the orange with the bear cub

Who are the dudes in the same sex marriage pic?

Is that you? are you the pitcher or Catcher?

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I think the answers are obvious.

The tub of fat goo in orange with the bear cub is you. Why kill a cub?

No, you have never killed a bear with a bow

And you are the catcher in that same sex wedding pic carrying your bride.

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Eewwwww I’ve touched a nerve!!! Lol

This kchunt
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Good god kill yourself.....


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Actually Its obvious I have hit a home run here with the answers. Its why your melting round boy. Hahahahahahhha.

Funny chit right here. grin

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When you feel like you are ready for bear hunting with a bow. Come back and start asking questions. No cubs this time. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That was pretty sad.

We can get a young kid like you up to speed on bear hunting.

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Than when you get older we can talk about making your own bow and arrows and broadheads and killing a bear. What a treat that will be for you.


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Have you ever shot a wild animal? I’m talking something not fenced in...?????


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The fat drooling chunt, that’s a Roosevelt elk, they don’t offer high fence hunts for them... hint


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Is the fat kid in that picture you????

So since you have never killed a bear with a bow, you post a pic of a fat kid with a young elk thinking we will think its a bear?????
Help me out here. What were you going for?

Fat kid with young elk = bear with a bow.

I know you younglings are taught that new math but son that chit don't add up. Hahahahahahah.


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Fat eyes, here’s a 31 1/2” Muley, they don’t come to feed buckets, corn is what you got popped for??? Ya muleys don’t eat dried corn!!! Hint
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So................................ Just an FYI, A deer with a gun next to a fat guy is also not a bear with a bow.
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Bowl of goo, aka fat eyes, notice the hat and king of the mountain wool.... re hint

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Bows where you swing for the fence and pull the Holstein cow pic out!!! Or the pre fed bear!!’


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So this fat turd, This is you? That is not a bear with a bow either.

Try again, lard boy. Remember Bear and Bow. (both start with a B)

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The fat drooling kchunt, to answer your question. No I’ve never baited a bear. Or killed a bear over bait, just seems like killed a farm animal doin it that way....


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You keep posting pics of a fat turd with "NOT BEAR" pictures.

Thats not how this works. That not how any of this works. Now bet back to the web and see if you can copy a pic somebody else posted that you can claim is yours.

Chop chop. grin


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I don’t feed animals and I don’t hint behind high fences. Got it?


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No I’ve never baited a bear. Or killed a bear over bait, .


That is a great answer to a question nobody asked.

Have you ever killed a bear with a bow and arrow? Its really simple. The lard may be blocking your ability to figure it out.


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Originally Posted by Judman
I don’t feed animals and I don’t hint behind high fences. Got it?


Bear are never hunted in high fence operations. Neither are Vancouver Bull or any of the deer Ive taken or the Polynesian hogs Ive taken.

I did once kill a water buffalo in a tiny 20,000 acre "cage" wink

Surely even a uber fat, lard pot like you can figure that out.

Anyway, when somebody else makes that bow for you, and you grow a set and want to try bear, come back son, we will set you on the right path so you don't have to steal others pics off the web. wink

I like helping newb younglings like that.

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Well,that sure went to [bleep] didn't it?

I'm sorry if I had anything to do with that because of my speech about draw weight and my experience. I didn't necessarily mean it for the OP,I didn't even know the weight the OP had ordered. I was just speaking in general to new archers.

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No I’ve never baited a bear. Or killed a bear over bait, .


That is a great answer to a question nobody asked.

Have you ever killed a bear with a bow and arrow? Its really simple. The lard may be blocking your ability to figure it out.


The lard is blocking vision for sure, if only obviously.....


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if only obviously.....


The kid is so wounded he aint even using English any more. HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAHA.

Get some sleep lard boy. I will hand you your azz some more tomorrow. In the meantime. Look online for a pic of a fat kid with a bear and a bow and try to pass that off as yours. wink

Oh and congrats on that dude you were hugging. You guys looked happy together.

I will drop you on your head again tomorrow.

Out.

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Sleep tight with the booger hog tonight..... don't let your papa Murphy clogged arteries fail you tonight!!! Ie; heartattack....

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Ron,
Why do you care whether Jud is pulling a 45, 50, 65, 75, or 80 pound string? You’ve seen how big he is. And, he’s not tilting the scales on the fat and flabby side either...Jud’s built more akin to the kind of dude you want to avoid at all costs, unless you have a gun or better yet two guns at the ready...Simple, mental decoder alarms should be going off in your brain informing your soul that this guy you’re poking at could easily put damage upon your body that medical care might have a hard time correcting...

If Jud wasn’t such a nice guy, who’s gainfully employed, with a solid family and a love for all things related to firearms, hunting, and his freedom...He could easily be that dude with nothing to hold him back from hurting a smart assed forum troll who jumps on others threads to create a pissing match...

You flamed his thread and you did it for your own personal entertainment thinking you’re making him look inexperienced around trad bows, and archery in general...You didn’t accomplish your goal, at least to the rest of us Fire members...

We all know Jud...We know he’s an extremely skilled and passionate hunter who kills a schit ton of free roaming wild game animals. He does it legally and consistently year after year covering many species and often going on DIY out of state hunts when he draws tags,,,Do you have a clue how difficult an out of state DIY hunt can be? They’re challenging and hard for reasons you can google up for your own self improvement. Point is, Jud also fills tags on these DIY hunts because he’s spent a lifetime dedicated to hunting, shooting and archery...

Ron, you’re just a strange dude. You have skills and talent in the making of things..Yes, you make a lot of interesting stuff, but you struggle making a connection with people, especially people who hunt..That’s troubling to me and others. It should be troublesome to you even more so...

I wish you well, I really do. And, I hope you figure out quickly that you are missing an opportunity to been seen as valued resource for information and ideas on all things archery...I don’t really know what your first step would be to getting yourself squared away but maybe consider not acting like an arrogant sack of dicks for starters......Beaver10 😎









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I'd say a quick email to "deer and deer hunting" magazine and to all of the companies affiliated with him thats he's discussed on here, with a link to his posts on here would be useful...

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I can't believe Ron wants to get personal.....lol Jud, don't sweat this toolbox. He has me on ignore because I know personal info that has made him shed tears. Do some googling under his name, all of his user names and kids names. You will get more reading material and pics that you can stand. He is a broken man that craves attention.





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I'd like to see the officer Barry Meister come set the record straight on ol saggy eyes. The neighbors obviously tipped off the DNR on him. Liked as well at home as he is here. Lmao





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Haha, the legally blind sweat hog, just mightta stroked out last night!! Culls will be culls......


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Haha, the legally blind sweat hog, just mightta stroked out last night!! Culls will be culls......


Haha.....one can only hope.

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Eewwwww I’ve touched a nerve!!! Lol

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This guy is sharp things? Lmao....

I'd love to see him suck air on a hike farther than from his Ikea closet smoker to the fridge....


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Haha, Greg got er dialed once again!!!


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Originally Posted by GregW

This guy is sharp things? Lmao....

I'd love to see him suck air on a hike farther than from his Ikea closet smoker to the fridge....


Then you should have been with me a few months ago up at 9,000 feet bowhunting in the saddle between Moana Loa and Moana Kea on the big Island of Hawaii. I was hunting wild, free range (no fence) Vancouver bulls and Polynesian hogs. Very few people have ever taken a Vancouver bull with a bow. Before I arrived a bowhunter from Alaska hoped to fulfill his bucket list by being one of the few to take such a bull with archery gear. He got an arrow into one and it turned on him, killing him. Now you may want to think, "that cant be true.Ill bet lots of people have taken a wild Vancouver bull with archery gear. I'l bet he is making that up."

I would invite you to search the web for terms such as "bowhunting Vancouver bulls" or "Vancouver bull bowhunting". You will read about and see pictures of me and pics of guys with guns that have taken the wild bulls but not much else.

Jim Shockey went after the bulls and took a small one but used a muzzle loader. If people do go after these wild bulls, the weapon of choice is a firearm because nobody wants to get close to them. The guide said I would be the first bowhunter he had ever guided for, for a Vancouver. The air was thin and the footing dishonest but I did well on that hunt. So, I wish you could have been there since (as you state) this is a love of yours to see.


FYI, city boys that don't have a clue about animals or wild game will make the mistake of thinking that is s a "COW" since everything is a cow to them. In the Bovine family, the males are bulls and the females are cows. I killed a bull (male) don't look like a city boy and embarrass yourself by calling a male, a cow. Just like you would not call a bull elk, a cow elk. wink

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I'd say a quick email to "deer and deer hunting" magazine and to all of the companies affiliated with him thats he's discussed on here, with a link to his posts on here would be useful...


Yes, that is a good idea. Let me know if you need help with the list of affiliates. If I were you I would start with Innovative Outdoorsman. Contact Jake and tell him everything. Link pics and copy what what posted.

At Deer and Deer hunting, you will want to contact Dan.

Best of luck and let me know if you need assistance. You can do this. grin


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Originally Posted by Judman
Haha, the legally blind sweat hog, just mightta stroked out last night!! Culls will be culls......



actually I was swamped yesterday with customers wanting help getting ready for bowhunting. On guy that has hunted all over the globe is leaving soon for Africa and needed help. (I outfitted him on his Free range American Bison hunt) and he wants to use those same arrows but my Cutthroat Broadheads that I recently used on "adult" sized game for his Cape buffalo hunt and he wanted them razor sharp so he came back to my shop for help. This was the bison he took with items I designed and made for that hunt,

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Just sent me a pic, coming along nicely.....
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Looks good! At 43, you'll have no problem pulling it. Hell I'm 60 and still pull 75#. I just need to work at it a little harder...;)


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Oh never hunted the aforementioned locale....
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Never seen any Polynesian boars either, ....
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LOL a piglet holding a piglet. Its like you are trying to make yourself look bad. hint


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Never hunted Maui either....
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The ground in Hawaii is tough to hunt fatty....
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You should have stayed fatter buddy, at least you could see when you were 350!!!!
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The ground in Hawaii is tough to hunt fatty....
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Fatty is right. The douche holding the ram is a fat turd. Hahahahaahaahahahahhaahahaha.

don't blame you for trying to hide behind somebody.

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I hear your one son has had more balls bounce off his chin than hank Aaron’s bat????? Tell him to get back in the closet, sucking pipe as a man is not normal...... hint hint


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Never hunted Maui either....
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another gun kill. You should take up bowhunting. You may like it. hint


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Rest assured I’ve never, or will ever look like this festering pile of goo!!!!
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So your boy does suck dick??? Does he swallow???


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Yep judging by his dad, he swallows!!!!! Haha


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That was a very cold weather spot and stalk. Even with all that long underwear I was still cold. That was a huge doe. Perfect heart shot too. With a bow. hint.

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Was sucking cock a “learned” behavior for your boy, or was it “natural “????


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Struck a never. LOL at you lashing out is despair. Thats not sad at a ll. hint. wink

If you were a bowhunter, Id say your quiver of ideas has run empty so you have to throw stones. wink

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Ron, sucking another mans dick is about like baiting a animal to kill, I’m not real interested.... hint

I’m betting he learned from his dad!!! Yep 👍


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Struck a never. LOL at you lashing out is despair. Thats not sad at a ll. hint. wink

If you were a bowhunter, Id say your quiver of ideas has run empty so you have to throw stones. wink


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
Originally Posted by GregW

This guy is sharp things? Lmao....

I'd love to see him suck air on a hike farther than from his Ikea closet smoker to the fridge....


Then you should have been with me a few months ago up at 9,000 feet bowhunting in the saddle between Moana Loa and Moana Kea on the big Island of Hawaii. I was hunting wild, free range (no fence) Vancouver bulls and Polynesian hogs. Very few people have ever taken a Vancouver bull with a bow. Before I arrived a bowhunter from Alaska hoped to fulfill his bucket list by being one of the few to take such a bull with archery gear. He got an arrow into one and it turned on him, killing him. Now you may want to think, "that cant be true.Ill bet lots of people have taken a wild Vancouver bull with archery gear. I'l bet he is making that up."

I would invite you to search the web for terms such as "bowhunting Vancouver bulls" or "Vancouver bull bowhunting". You will read about and see pictures of me and pics of guys with guns that have taken the wild bulls but not much else.

Jim Shockey went after the bulls and took a small one but used a muzzle loader. If people do go after these wild bulls, the weapon of choice is a firearm because nobody wants to get close to them. The guide said I would be the first bowhunter he had ever guided for, for a Vancouver. The air was thin and the footing dishonest but I did well on that hunt. So, I wish you could have been there since (as you state) this is a love of yours to see.


FYI, city boys that don't have a clue about animals or wild game will make the mistake of thinking that is s a "COW" since everything is a cow to them. In the Bovine family, the males are bulls and the females are cows. I killed a bull (male) don't look like a city boy and embarrass yourself by calling a male, a cow. Just like you would not call a bull elk, a cow elk. wink

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Good god I’m in tears! Nice cow!

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Good god I’m in tears! Nice cow!


city boys that don't have a clue about animals or wild game will make the mistake of thinking that is a "COW" since everything is a cow to them. In the Bovine family, the males are bulls and the females are cows. I killed a bull (male) don't look like a city boy and embarrass yourself by calling a male, a cow. Just like you would not call a bull elk, a cow elk.

LOL at the young gen-X concrete walker, wink

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Good god I’m in tears! Nice cow!


city boys that don't have a clue about animals or wild game will make the mistake of thinking that is s a "COW" since everything is a cow to them. In the Bovine family, the males are bulls and the females are cows. I killed a bull (male) don't look like a city boy and embarrass yourself by calling a male, a cow. Just like you would not call a bull elk, a cow elk. wink



Yeah I seen that the first time. That’s a great doe too, congrats?

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The blubbering lard ass, Hawai’i doesn’t hold a candle to the West you stupid fuuck..... I’ve done it all, have you?


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That’s a great doe too, congrats?


That was fridgid, spot and stalk during a blizzard. She was huge.


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The blubbering lard ass, Hawai’i doesn’t hold a candle to the West you stupid fuuck..... I’ve done it all, have you?



settle down fat boy. The lard is cutting off the blood to your brain. You were on Maui (low elevation). I was on the mountain on the big island. You should try hunting up there some day since you seem clueless. hint

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Fridgid AND a blizzard? That’s a phenomenon

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That’s a great doe too, congrats?


That was fridgid, spot and stalk during a blizzard. She was huge.

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Fridgid AND a blizzard? That’s a phenomenon



And a big doe to boot. She slid nice though on that snow.


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Originally Posted by sharp_things
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The blubbering lard ass, Hawai’i doesn’t hold a candle to the West you stupid fuuck..... I’ve done it all, have you?



settle down fat boy. The lard is cutting off the blood to your brain. You were on Maui (low elevation). I was on the mountain on the big island. You should try hunting up there some day since you seem clueless. hint


You think they have rams on Maui??? Haha

Nope killed on kona pry the fat rolls off your eyes!!!


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