Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Introduction, the new voice of Tract optics here on the Campfire

That is awesome. Can you expand on that? How many scopes sold, and how many complaints?

Thanks,

Jason

Well, you get points for seeing there's a difference between the two types. That's far from true in a lot of cases on here. There's certainly some overlap, especially as to reliability, which is in everyone's interest.

Since you play on both sides of this game, you might want to check out the latest episode of the Fieldsports Channel on YouTube. They take a couple of Mauser's newer hunting rifles, the M12 and M18 out to 1500 meters at a facility in Wales. Just ordinary guys doing the shooting, but with an experienced coach/spotter calling the holds for them. He used, of all things, an old M98 with tracers to get a feel for the wind conditions. Interesting stuff, and a good look at a couple rifles most have never considered. Regrettably the cartridge choices for those models are limited here so far.

That would be my approach.

What I have seen with a certain select crowd is that anytime someone new shows up to the campfire you are automatically guilty and you must prove yourself innocent to those select few. I call that small crowd "THE COWARD CROWD" and I say you don't have to prove Jack schit to the likes of those people. In fact they don't even warrant a reply to there ignorant interrogations!

Every person with actual experience with a Tract scope have given a more than positive review. The COWARD CROWD hasn't even seen the scope in question, have zero experience, yet give negative feedback. Seems like a cowardly thing to do....No!

If you want your opinion to hold any value go get some experience with the product and than come back. Until than your words hold no weight nor value and in reality are just another set of lips flapping in the wind waisting valuable oxygen!


Trystan

What I have seen with a certain select crowd.... is they lie through their teeth, talk about how great they are, then fail to back it up. When they’re confronted about it..... they ignore it, or deflect it, or blame everyone else for “being mean”. Trystan did exactly that.... and so did Tract.

Seems Trystan and Tract were made for each other....

tell us how you really feel, Twit-thtan.

Hmm, don't know about all that, but I do know that if you post on the long range forum, brag about shooting tiny groups at long range, and then make a big deal about posting proof of your prowess, it's always a good idea to follow up and post that proof.

And your groups should probably have more than two rounds apiece.

Maybe you did miss a few.

I’m about to buy one of these phuggers , and torque it down , degrease it and drop the piss out of it.

The issue I have with Tract, among other companies, is strictly marketing at this point as I have never used any of their products....

With the popularity of social media and internet forums advertising is essentially free. In the "bigger, better, best" world we live in everybody wants to go straight to the front of the line without earning anything. In rare cases maybe its warranted but the best way to get to the front is to earn your way. When the first thing you see on their website is "EXTRAORDINARY optics" you really don't want them to be ordinary. The way I see it these guys went from Nikon to just another "me too" optics company that advertises direct to consumer and cutting out the middle man but at least some of the Nikon Monarch riflescopes are made in the Philippines, probably in the same factory and they are priced about the same. No middle man, similar price, somebody is making some coin. What sets any of these new optics companies apart from the rest? Same business model, same factories, same components yet none of these companies consider themselves "average". They aren't alpha glass and they aren't crap..... sounds average to me WHICH IS FINE...... don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me you're elite which is exactly the message we received from the first guy here pimping their products

Maven used to be Brunton and you can "accessorize" your optics which makes me feel gay just saying it. Tract is a couple of Nikon guys using contacts they made working for Nikon and branding their own stuff. GPO is a couple guys that were with Zeiss that started "German Precision Optics" and their $hit is made in Japan. No Germany? WTF? Whoever came up with the name for their flagship product should be fired for naming it after a porn site. Don't google "Passion HD" on your work computer. God almighty! Speaking of brand names, whats with "Tract"? Reminds me of tract houses... Nothing wrong with a tract house and it serves a purpose but I've never seen advertising for a tract house using words like EXTRAORDINARY. They exemplify average or adequate

I wish every one of these companies well, competition is a wonderful thing but I just get sick of the claims of how great they are. I've seen favorable reviews on each of them, what am I supposed to say, congratulations it works? If they put out a good product at a reasonable price point they don't have to be extraordinary or premier or epic or legendary or monumental or sensational or..... you get the point. Lots of people with average gear killing extraordinary animals. Its tiring to see everybody want to be the best without earning a damn thing

Perhaps like this one Jordan? One example is hardly a blanket condemnation of everyone, but, there are other examples that are of the same tone.

Hey Drum, good to see you posting. I think you have made a pretty accurate description of all involved. You'll get no argument out of me, except that the Toric binos do offer exceptionally good glass.....

Take care bud!

Tract wanted their scope tested by members of this forum....

They wanted the free ad press here....

Now......

They don’t want another scope tested, or “see no reason why” they should send out another one....

They want guys to take it easy on them, even though they have yet to address the failure of their tested scope.

That said:

I’ve used their Toric Binocular, it’s fabulous, but I won’t buy one because they haven’t been around long.... and who knows where they’re going to end up. My requirements of a riflescope don’t involve “glass” or any other accessory.... they involve toughness, repeatability, and dependability. “Glass” is way down on my list of requirements.... a scope is simply a place to keep my crosshairs until I’m ready to use them. As such, I pay attention to ALL reported failures on this, and other forums.

Leupold doesn’t have a rep here on the fire.... if they did, I bet that guy would get flamed daily... and for pretty good reason. Same with Nikon, or Zeiss, or whomever. You want direct access to guys who actually use this stuff? You got it.... but they have no allegiance to you, or any reason to be “kind”.... they do have a reason to point out flaws, discrepancies, and fallacies with your product, business model, and representation.

If you don’t want that kinda feedback.... good, bad, and ugly..... then market your wares in Outdoor Life, and to stupid gullible sales people behind gun counters. They’ll listen to you, stroke your product, and tell you how great it is....

wow a dose of reality this is why the focus should be on mechanical reliability. Why is this so hard? A $79 bushnell banner has good enough optics for me. Nightforce is the only company that kinda touts this. But even they could do more to show it.

What does a 14.4mm exit pupil give you?

How does the 30mm tube improve light transmission?

That comment was regarding the methodology, not the timing.

Lol......better watch out bhoges! 5 people out of thousands will pronounce you unfit for the fire. Hardly a drop of piss in a large bucket when you think about it. Don't worry because opinions based on zero experience carry little to no weight around here for the other 99% of the fire.

Still, this small drop of piss in a large bucket will make grand pronouncements concerning your status here on the fire speaking for less than 1% of the large crowd here. It is delusional self appointed Heroes all of whom have not so much as held nor seen a Tract scope.

You really should take there complete lack of experience with the product as little golden nuggets of wisdom???




Trystan

Better watch out Trystan.... 99% of the fire knows you’re a lying piece of schitt.... or would you like to subject that to further testing also?

So how many Tract scopes do you own? I assume more than zero, since you seem to think that ownership qualifies a guy to post in this thread...

Mostly true, but serious internet advertising is far from free. Your own site is not expensive but getting beyond that raises costs quickly. The format of skipping the middleman means they will not be "advertising" the product in their stores. When retailers advertise most of the money comes from manufacturers.