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And that’s perfectly fine.
I just didn’t want to offend anybody and was thinking I was being goaded into a fight.
Like I said just read the Bible and if it is His will everything will be revealed to you.
I guess if anything maybe my post will get some to searching the scriptures, can’t go wrong with that can I?

I can shoot holes in the video in the original post, however. My bible makes no mention I can find of a green horse
for example.

Am I the only one wondering how “pale horse” - and I’ve seen pale horses - becomes “ green horse “ - which I’ve never seen...

Agreed. One can make Revelation mean anything they want, and apparently everyone trying to make a name for themselves have. They have done the same with the Book of Daniel. Everyone with a Bible under their arm seems to be taking bets on the end times and performing great acrobatics to show how they are right. Pssst...........They don't know. Even the Son of God didn't/doesn't know .

The scriptures (especially Revelations) are so deep that it would take a seriously long time in giving examples and backing up with other scriptures that I am not qualified or have the knowledge to do.
If you guys are serious and are not wanting argument than ok here what has been revealed to me.
Read Revelations and keep this in mind.
What religion has all the power?
What religion has killed millions?
What religion has all the money?
What religion changes what the Bible has written in its lids with dogmas?
But yet what religion is the most popular and from the human perspective looks innocent and holy?
A dragon in sheeps clothing.

The Catholic Church.

Another take on the four horsemen, excerpted from something I wrote up a couple years ago.

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Isn’t the current political climate in America and the world simply bizarre? What is going on, and how did we get to a place where PC considerations and worldwide turmoil have accelerated in tandem? The more inclusive our Western culture is demanded to be, the less peace and agreement we see. Rancorous describes us today, does it not? Even within Christianity, Philip Yancey says we have now exceeded 34,000 denominations worldwide, with well over 2000 in America alone.
Here’s what I want to share, for whatever it might be worth to you, personally. (I accept that many are turned off and/or simply not interested in religious things. Me neither, but what I am interested in is what God has to say about what is true.) No matter what your church background -- mine’s interdenominational and international -- two questions demand a modern times answer. In the Bible, where, oh where do I find either America or Islam? [And, what does that mean for Israel and/or the church?]
Outside a few obscure references such as in Isaiah to “islands of the sea”, “western coastlands” and their inhabitants, it’s hard to assign America or England’s identity in scripture unless somehow associated with friendship to Israel. Yet, both Great Britain and America have figured prominently in current events, particularly the gospel’s spread. Replacement theology lays claim to being, instead of modern Israel, the true Israel or “Israel of God.” (On many levels, I cannot accept that as what God has been saying.)
Of greater difficulty, has been understanding Islam. Where do we find Mohammed’s religion in the Bible? Greater even than the influence of democracy and freedom spreading from Europe to the Americas and beyond, submission to Islam has dominated more of the world, increasing every day now with the resumption of caliphate dreams. Can the Holy Spirit have been entirely silent about this? (Read on.)
Jesus certainly treated Satan as real, and New Testament accounts throughout do as well. Rabbinic tradition and teachings from the Old Testament, outside Genesis, are more obscure. However, from Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are taught the prophecy in each book suddenly leaves off addressing the king, switching to the controlling spirit behind. (Daniel’s account also sheds light on this spiritual battle aspect.) Specifically, in these two passages (as well as two stories in Job and Genesis), only one spiritual being has contested God’s right to rule. Satan. In our world, only one monotheistic religion demands allegiance and absolute worship in place of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. One. If Allah isn’t Satan, isn’t he functioning in the same capacity?

Owing to expanded cable service and boredom, I landed one day on a program explaining a new understanding of something that’s been in scripture, like forever! You need to consult Revelation 6:1-8 and Zechariah 6:1-8 for reference, but here’s the gist. Four horses of specific color with respective riders appear on John’s prophetic panorama. Four chariots having similarly colored spirits are described to Zechariah in his previous vision, indicating what direction with respect to Israel they are sent by God. (By exclusion, the red one goes to the east. Also, note the southerly spirit is “dappled”, and I picture that as grey-and-white like the harnessed pair in Black Beauty.) Balking at the literal translation of the fourth horse’s color in Revelation, translators of the Authorized (King James) Version selected the word “pale”, perhaps influenced by the description in Zechariah. That word, “chloros”, in Revelation 6 is used two other times in the New Testament for the color of grass. My New Living Translation uses the correct rendering (pale green). So, what? Ask yourself, what is the favorite color in Islam, and what color can one find in the flags of nations adhering to Islam today?
What this tells us, or at least me in particular, is that the four horsemen of the apocalypse have been running for a very long time. What we see in Revelation is that they begin running TOGETHER, including the pale green one. The chloros horse.
Four main belief systems dominate today’s scene. On the world stage, we find a horse whose identifying color is white, the Pope’s color. His rider has a bow, but no arrows. Power is given to him, but not militarily. Roman Catholicism has had influence towards the west of Israel, including Western culture for quite some time.
A red horse follows, the color dear to communist belief system holders, and millions have died by the large red sword continuing today in North Korea, China, etc.
To Israel’s north, a black horse with scales-holding rider commands commerce and business that also destroys. Countries in Europe north of Israel, run by people of vast wealth, have financed Europe’s wars from the czars to Stalin and Hitler, continuing to this day to benefit from arms sales. And, oil is often black.
Directly south, a culture of death holds sway over one-fourth the earth’s population. The green horse has a rider named “Death” and Hell follows close behind. Famine and plague follow the sword, the wild beasts coming afterward. (Incidentally, with world wildlife increasingly threatened by both plow and pollution, not the hunting industry, what’s left to clean up this kind of mess? Vultures are also threatened these days. Consider this. What animals despised by Muslims have the capacity to multiply and take over from the scavenging wildlife that is in demise? Dogs and hogs.) With a pause between 1924, when Attaturk secularized the caliphate based in Turkey, resuming less than a hundred years later, Islam has put 270 million people to the sword.

Another take on the four horsemen, excerpted from something I wrote up a couple years ago.

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Isn’t the current political climate in America and the world simply bizarre? What is going on, and how did we get to a place where PC considerations and worldwide turmoil have accelerated in tandem? The more inclusive our Western culture is demanded to be, the less peace and agreement we see. Rancorous describes us today, does it not? Even within Christianity, Philip Yancey says we have now exceeded 34,000 denominations worldwide, with well over 2000 in America alone.
Here’s what I want to share, for whatever it might be worth to you, personally. (I accept that many are turned off and/or simply not interested in religious things. Me neither, but what I am interested in is what God has to say about what is true.) No matter what your church background -- mine’s interdenominational and international -- two questions demand a modern times answer. In the Bible, where, oh where do I find either America or Islam? [And, what does that mean for Israel and/or the church?]
Outside a few obscure references such as in Isaiah to “islands of the sea”, “western coastlands” and their inhabitants, it’s hard to assign America or England’s identity in scripture unless somehow associated with friendship to Israel. Yet, both Great Britain and America have figured prominently in current events, particularly the gospel’s spread. Replacement theology lays claim to being, instead of modern Israel, the true Israel or “Israel of God.” (On many levels, I cannot accept that as what God has been saying.)
Of greater difficulty, has been understanding Islam. Where do we find Mohammed’s religion in the Bible? Greater even than the influence of democracy and freedom spreading from Europe to the Americas and beyond, submission to Islam has dominated more of the world, increasing every day now with the resumption of caliphate dreams. Can the Holy Spirit have been entirely silent about this? (Read on.)
Jesus certainly treated Satan as real, and New Testament accounts throughout do as well. Rabbinic tradition and teachings from the Old Testament, outside Genesis, are more obscure. However, from Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are taught the prophecy in each book suddenly leaves off addressing the king, switching to the controlling spirit behind. (Daniel’s account also sheds light on this spiritual battle aspect.) Specifically, in these two passages (as well as two stories in Job and Genesis), only one spiritual being has contested God’s right to rule. Satan. In our world, only one monotheistic religion demands allegiance and absolute worship in place of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. One. If Allah isn’t Satan, isn’t he functioning in the same capacity?

Owing to expanded cable service and boredom, I landed one day on a program explaining a new understanding of something that’s been in scripture, like forever! You need to consult Revelation 6:1-8 and Zechariah 6:1-8 for reference, but here’s the gist. Four horses of specific color with respective riders appear on John’s prophetic panorama. Four chariots having similarly colored spirits are described to Zechariah in his previous vision, indicating what direction with respect to Israel they are sent by God. (By exclusion, the red one goes to the east. Also, note the southerly spirit is “dappled”, and I picture that as grey-and-white like the harnessed pair in Black Beauty.) Balking at the literal translation of the fourth horse’s color in Revelation, translators of the Authorized (King James) Version selected the word “pale”, perhaps influenced by the description in Zechariah. That word, “chloros”, in Revelation 6 is used two other times in the New Testament for the color of grass. My New Living Translation uses the correct rendering (pale green). So, what? Ask yourself, what is the favorite color in Islam, and what color can one find in the flags of nations adhering to Islam today?
What this tells us, or at least me in particular, is that the four horsemen of the apocalypse have been running for a very long time. What we see in Revelation is that they begin running TOGETHER, including the pale green one. The chloros horse.
Four main belief systems dominate today’s scene. On the world stage, we find a horse whose identifying color is white, the Pope’s color. His rider has a bow, but no arrows. Power is given to him, but not militarily. Roman Catholicism has had influence towards the west of Israel, including Western culture for quite some time.
A red horse follows, the color dear to communist belief system holders, and millions have died by the large red sword continuing today in North Korea, China, etc.
To Israel’s north, a black horse with scales-holding rider commands commerce and business that also destroys. Countries in Europe north of Israel, run by people of vast wealth, have financed Europe’s wars from the czars to Stalin and Hitler, continuing to this day to benefit from arms sales. And, oil is often black.
Directly south, a culture of death holds sway over one-fourth the earth’s population. The green horse has a rider named “Death” and Hell follows close behind. Famine and plague follow the sword, the wild beasts coming afterward. (Incidentally, with world wildlife increasingly threatened by both plow and pollution, not the hunting industry, what’s left to clean up this kind of mess? Vultures are also threatened these days. Consider this. What animals despised by Muslims have the capacity to multiply and take over from the scavenging wildlife that is in demise? Dogs and hogs.) With a pause between 1924, when Attaturk secularized the caliphate based in Turkey, resuming less than a hundred years later, Islam has put 270 million people to the sword.

I don’t think the Anti-Christ will rule the whole world like it says in Revelations. Or more accurately, I don’t think we understand it correctly.

The Bible is centered around the Middle East and the Mediterranean. Many maps up through the late Middle Ages showed Jerusalem at the center of the world. The Bible said Nebuchadnezzar was the king of th whole world, yet we know that clearly he wasn’t. There were great civilizations in India and China not to mention the rest of the world. But he did rule the world almost from Greece to India and Egypt to Armenia. The same could be said of Cyrus and Alexander. And later the Romans rule much of that territory. Prophecy seems to be centered on that region and I think that the Anti-Christ will rule it.

Lately, there was an empire that ruled it until 1922 when its head, the sultan in Instanbul was removed, and it died. It’s corpse was split among France and England and the rump state of secular Turkey took its place. But Erdogan shows signs of reviving it and it could easily, along with Iran control the entire region againand the caliphate could literally be reborn. And if you are European centric in your prophecy, it isn’t as far fetch as it was just ten years ago that much of Europe could be part of the caliphate or at least very deferential to it given their huge internal populations of Muslims.

jaguartx

That is a fantastic presentation, well thought out. I know it doesn't fit most denominational views, but it's time for clarity.

The previous head of the moslem caliphate was Turkey.