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Trump didn't piss in Putin's eyes because he just handed him hard evidence to hang Hillary, Obama, Soros' and the lot?
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I'm sure that what is said in private at conferences such as the Trump-Putin one, are much different than what's said in public........it always is. Trump may very well have told Putin something to the affect that we know you meddled in our election, you know you did, and you know that we know you did, but we're going to let it slide if..........if you will do this, or of you will do that.
I'm 68 years old, and I very well remember the Cold War and public enemy number one........the Soviet Union. I also remember the breakup of the Soviet Union and the former Communist Bloc, and what a relief it was to have that threat removed. But, just as the Soviet Union was not our friend them, neither is Russia OR Putin our friend now, despite what many here believe. The United States will always be standing in Russia's way of doing whatever it wants, at least in the thinking of Putin and the Russians. While I have respect for Putin and his hardline stance against Muslims and the queers, that's pretty much it. He is former KGB, and those people were trained to be a different breed of cat.
As I said, in private Trump may very well have told Putin off in private. We will probably never know what all was discussed. My biggest problem with this thing is that pretty much everybody knows Russia did meddle in our election, and that in itself is nothing really earth shattering, as we've been doing the same thing all over the world for many years. All countries spy on each other, even though they are allies, and if they can influence that country into seeing things from their point of view, they do that as well. Our intelligence agencies all say Russia did it, and I for one, believe they are telling the truth. It makes me wonder why Trump keeps denying it.
I don't care whether Russia did or not, as the defeat of Hillary was our goal, and that was accomplished. However, I don't think Trump is helping himself one bit by throwing our intelligence people under the bus. The day might come when he'll need them. The way the question from the reporter as the Trump/Putin news conference Trump was forced to call Putin a "Liar" which he did not want to do in front of the media. WhileTrump did not respond properly to the question asked by the reporter..... this latest gaffe by Trump will eventually blow over.
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That was a pretty good analysis and made me rethink some things. Thanks.
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Trump didn't piss in Putin's eyes because he just handed him hard evidence to hang Hillary, Obama, Soros' and the lot? We have all the evidence we will ever need to convict Obama, Hillary , and all of their sycophants. What is lacking to the political power. If we win in the midterm election there will be more power gained and the ability rapidly collect more power still. A second Trump term with a solid conservative majority in both houses is what it will take to win the cold civil war we’re in.
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If anyone wants to take something out of my OP (which is admittedly too long for consumption by most doubters), it should be this:
Trump has no desire to "negotiate" with Putin. there is no "negotiating" with Putin. Vlad is a hardcore despot and will NEVER do anything that does not clearly give him some advantage. Trump's plan is to cripple Russia economically and force Putin from power and hopefully sweep in reformers. Once that happens, Trump and the rest of the West can then attempt to negotiate with some leaders.
Explains why Trump isn't in Putin's face. He thinks Putin is irrelevant. It's not Putin that holds the key to US-Russia negations. It will be Putin's successor. Putin will not negotiate in good faith.
This also explains why Trump is in Europe's face. He wants them to work the plan. Up NATO spending forcing the Russians to keep up, and don't buy their energy thereby starving them economically. Your OP was very good, Jeff, but this summary is more usefuller... at least for the "four legs good, two legs bad" crowd. I copied/pasted/edited this and posted it on my sister's facebook page. I expect her Canadian communist friends' heads are exploding as I type this post. My only quibble with you is that I'm not sure he is looking to destabilize Putin to force regime change as much as destabilize to force cooperation. Putin may be more useful to the West if he stays in power than if he's forced out by moderates. The value of a Strongman in a rogue state has been proven time and again (Iran under the Shah, Libya under Ghaddafi, etc). But either way, the goal is to hurt Putin/Russia, and hurt him badly. I can't be done with bombs and missiles, we don't want to provoke WW3... but it can be done the same way Reagan did it. Either way it's pretty much brilliant. And I have to say that GG and piddle-in-his-pants have been highly entertaining on this thread. As BB would say of each of them, "What a maroon!"
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Millions of normal people......screw them??????
Them guys are whiter than us! Christian too!! Well, predominately.
So the plan is to crush Iran, China AND Russia?????
That is surely ambitious.
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Trump didn't piss in Putin's eyes because he just handed him hard evidence to hang Hillary, Obama, Soros' and the lot? We have all the evidence we will ever need to convict Obama, Hillary , and all of their sycophants. What is lacking to the political power. If we win in the midterm election there will be more power gained and the ability rapidly collect more power still. A second Trump term with a solid conservative majority in both houses is what it will take to win the cold civil war we’re in. All the power in the world is useless if they don't have the will to make it happen. Getting the right people in place that are more than willing to clean house is what it's going to take.
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Trump didn't piss in Putin's eyes because he just handed him hard evidence to hang Hillary, Obama, Soros' and the lot? We have all the evidence we will ever need to convict Obama, Hillary , and all of their sycophants. What is lacking to the political power. If we win in the midterm election there will be more power gained and the ability rapidly collect more power still. A second Trump term with a solid conservative majority in both houses is what it will take to win the cold civil war we’re in. All the power in the world is useless if they don't have the will to make it happen. Getting the right people in place that are more than willing to clean house is what it's going to take. To weed out the senior service and get the right people in place takes a lot of political power.
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Your OP was very good, Jeff, but this summary is more usefuller... at least for the "four legs good, two legs bad" crowd. I copied/pasted/edited this and posted it on my sister's facebook page. I expect her Canadian communist friends' heads are exploding as I type this post.
My only quibble with you is that I'm not sure he is looking to destabilize Putin to force regime change as much as destabilize to force cooperation. Putin may be more useful to the West if he stays in power than if he's forced out by moderates. The value of a Strongman in a rogue state has been proven time and again (Iran under the Shah, Libya under Ghaddafi, etc).
But either way, the goal is to hurt Putin/Russia, and hurt him badly. I can't be done with bombs and missiles, we don't want to provoke WW3... but it can be done the same way Reagan did it.
Either way it's pretty much brilliant.
And I have to say that GG and piddle-in-his-pants have been highly entertaining on this thread. As BB would say of each of them, "What a maroon!"
Doc, I'm not 100% certain that Trump's goal is to totally take out Putin in the same manner Reagan wanted to take out the Communist leadership, but let's settle for the fact he wouldn't cry if it happened. I do beleive that Trump looks for leverage in any negotiation, and when he doesn't have it, he creates it. The threat of economic ruin along with the competition in the form of military spending is not something that Putin really wants to get into. Putin is at a disadvantage there.
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Trump didn't piss in Putin's eyes because he just handed him hard evidence to hang Hillary, Obama, Soros' and the lot? We have all the evidence we will ever need to convict Obama, Hillary , and all of their sycophants. What is lacking to the political power. If we win in the midterm election there will be more power gained and the ability rapidly collect more power still. A second Trump term with a solid conservative majority in both houses is what it will take to win the cold civil war we’re in. All the power in the world is useless if they don't have the will to make it happen. Getting the right people in place that are more than willing to clean house is what it's going to take. To weed out the senior service and get the right people in place takes a lot of political power. Absolutely.
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What do we do if Putin refuses to play along?
The world needs energy right?
We could only afford to destabilize the energy producers for so long.
What then?
We have been trying to get them into an "arms race" for 20 years.
So far all we have done is spend our citizens treasure on stupid projects.
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Piddles- The grown ups on here are trying to have a discussion. There's more gold ( boogers) up hiding op in your nose. You didn't mine and eat all of it yet. Why don't you go back to your filthy little hovel and start mining for it with your dirty fingers while the adults on here continue their intelligent conversation. Love you Trump bashers! Yeah, I just love some of this analysis I'm reading from both sides. "Trump showed weakness - Trump embarrassed us - Trump screwed up blah blah blah" Listen up you politically ignorant and naive idiots. You might learn something. (Trolls, GFY right now. Don't waste my time) How did Reagan REALLY defeat the USSR? Do you really know? I bet not one you paid attention then or has thought about it since. This is going to need to be the short version. PM me is you want the long version. Reagan hated communists! (Great man that he was) He wanted to kill off the Soviet Union. No way to nuke it out with them so he decided to bankrupt them. That was tough to do , as they were pumping oil, building a big ass NG pipeline into Western Europe, and were going to be making money hand over fist with the price of crude some where in the neighbor of $30/bbl. Now, the USSR had just spend a butt load of money screwing around in Afghanistan (GWB apparently slept through that history lesson), so were cash short, but prospects looked good for a bright economic future to enable them to continue the Cold War by proxy and fund Castro and Ortega and just about any other commie that could destabilize democracy in world and keep us busy fights them elsewhere. Reagan's plan: 1.) Force them to spend more money on defense. It's expensive, and they have to keep up with us to remain a Superpower 2.) Cut off their money supply. To make this as brief as possible, Reagan got appropriations to rebuild our military after Carter neglected it. He increased our navy and air force drastically from Carter years. Next, he got the plans for the anti ballistic missile defense - Strategic Defense Initiative (STAR WARS) and the Soviets were told by their scientists that it was possible to create. you will see today that with the Patriot missile system, Star Wars is coming to fruition. This caused the Soviets to react, and begin development of their counter measures and they had to increase their military spending. Now on to the economic front. The USSR had all the oil they could pump, but it cost about $26/bbl to produce. With Crude about $30/bbl life was good and the money came rolling in. In 1987, Reagan got the Saudis to up crude production, and the price of crude bottomed out around $13/bbl. It hurt Texas and Oklahoma, but wiped out the USSR. No way to pump their crap for less than $26/bbl. they were out of business and THAT's how Reagan beat the Soviet Union. So what has Trump been up to the past month, you bitching geniuses? Well let me see: What has he got the Saudis doing? (deja vu) Oil Falls on Prospect of Supply Boost, But Market's `Nervous'
By Jessica Summers and Erin Douglas
July 1, 2018, 7:55 PM EDT Updated on July 2, 2018, 4:10 PM EDT
Crude declined after U.S. President Donald Trump put pressure on Saudi Arabia to ramp up oil output, with traders worrying about how it could affect spare capacity ahead.
Let's see what he's doing with Europe: Trump Roils NATO Allies With Calls to Double Military Spending
U.S. leader urges allies to double target to 4% while questioning the alliance’s value and bashing Germany for its support of a Russia gas deal
What to Expect From NATO's Summit in Brussels
The NATO summit in Brussels will take place amid tense relationships within the alliance. The Wall Street Journal's Gerald F. Seib looks at what to expect. Photo: Getty
By Rebecca Ballhaus, Valentina Pop and Laurence Norman
Updated July 11, 2018 6:50 p.m. ET
BRUSSELS—President Donald Trump pressed allies to double their military spending target to 4% of GDP, while questioning NATO’s value and bashing Germany for supporting a gas deal with Russia.
After attacking North Atlantic Treaty Organization leaders for months for not meeting a 2% spending target, Mr. Trump said on Wednesday that amount was too low. Let's take alook about how Eastern Europe saw the NATO Summit: Trump's tough NATO talk plays well on eastern flank
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Updated: Jul 12, 2018 - 12:03 PM
Trump's tough NATO talk plays well on eastern flank
BRUSSELS (AP) - While President Donald Trump's hectoring at the NATO summit alarmed many in the West, his message was mostly embraced Thursday along the alliance's eastern flank - the region that feels most threatened by an assertive Russia.
From Poland and the tiny Baltic states down to Romania, eastern leaders welcomed Trump's push for members of the 29-nation alliance to spend more on their militaries, something they have sought following Russian incursions in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014.
After all, they had been under Moscow's thumb for decades after World War II.
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On the first day of the summit, Trump lambasted his partners for not spending their fair share on defense and asked on Twitter: "What good is NATO if Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars for gas and energy?"
But by the time the summit concluded Thursday he was praising NATO as "very unified, very strong."
"He came, he saw, he conquered," declared Poland's state-run broadcaster TVP in an opinion piece. "Contrary to criticism and fears, Trump's brutally sincere behavior has not broken NATO's unity but has mobilized its members to further action that strengthened the organization."
Linas Linkevicius, the foreign minister of Lithuania, wrote on Twitter: "?Strength is a choice, not a given. Once again #NATOSummit bring us closer & stronger. We are resolute, committed to mutual defense, fair burden sharing."
NATO member Estonia noted that a Russian military aircraft even violated its airspace Thursday near the Baltic Sea island of Vaindloo, the second such alleged incident this week and the third in a month.
Many in the region also welcomed Trump's opening salvo when he lashed out at Germany's pursuit of a gas pipeline venture with Russia, which Trump said made Berlin "captive" to Russia.
That message echoed fears that have long been expressed by leaders in the Baltic states and Poland. They fear the gas pipeline will make Europe more dependent on Russian energy, giving Moscow more political leverage over the continent. Poland's prime minister has even called it a "new hybrid weapon."
The countries on the eastern flank also stressed that, despite the divisions, the achievements of the summit in Brussels made them safer. These include opening accession talks with Macedonia and formally signing off on a plan that would improve the alliance's ability to deploy faster in case of an attack. The plan ensures that NATO could deploy 30 land battalions, 30 ships and 30 warplane squadrons at a 30-day notice.
Romanian President Klaus Iohannis, whose Black Sea nation also feels vulnerable with Russia's resurgence, said he saw "no danger" of NATO breaking up.
"There isn't a conflict," he said. "Trump said things plainly, as is normal between friends and allies." So now I will challenge some of you low IQ bitchmasters to take a look at these two periods of history and compare and contrast. 1980's Reagan upped military spending, forced the Ruskies to do the same, and then cut their legs out from under them by dropping the price on their only viable export - OIL and NG. The USSR crumbled. The Iron Curtain fell and it fell quickly. Germany reunited. Poland is now one of our stanchest allies. It was all unheard of in 1980. A decade later, we win! 2018 - Trump puts emphasis on military spending. Trump puts emphasis on domestic energy production. Trump gets Saudis to increase production. Trump makes friends with countries in Eastern Europe nearest to Russia. Trump demands NATO spend more on military. Do you now see what is going on? Some of you very same people that have wet dreams about Reagan can't see that Trump is using the Reagan playbook, one that was incredibly successful to pressure Putin and the USSR. Trump doesn't need to threaten Putin. Trump doesn't need to confront Putin. Trump doesn't need to "stand up to Putin" Trump has Putin by the balls. If the price of oil and NG drops below the price that Russia can produce it, they are out of business. Why do you think that Trump has been pushing shipping our NG to Europe? It's not all about jobs. Some but not all. Why do you think that Trump is livid at Merkel and Germany about their own private NG pipeline under the Baltic with Russia? Trump is trying to crush Putin's balls economically and Merkel is giving him a lifeline. Trump is willing to practically GIVE NG to Europe if it weakens Russia, and the damn Germans are giving Putin economic mouth to mouth resuscitation. Chew on that and come back and tell how Trump should have been bolder with Putin and nicer to our allies. Phouc no! Our "allies" need to get in line and play right. There is an opportunity here to transform the world and make it better just like it happened in the 1980s. It's time for Putin to go, and it's time for Russia to reform once again. The only way to make it happen to to cripple them economically, and they will demand a change at the top. It is all there for the taking. Damn straight Trump probably dog cussed Merkel, May, and Macron to their faces. They are wasting a Golden Opportunity. No other country and certainly no other World leader can make this happen except Trump and they are impeding a proven formula for taking the Russian down. As for not playing Macho Man with Vlad? Vlad can read a spread sheet. Unlike most of YOU, he knows the Saudis have increase oil production. He knows crude is no longer at $100/bbl. He know we are fracking and producing the [bleep] out of oil and NG. He knows we are willing to GIVE it to Europe. Putin knows that NATO spending is going up. He knows that Poland and the Ukraine have leaned to the West and the US. AND PUTIN KNOWS WHO HAS MADE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN. He knows it ain't Hillary Rodham Clinton in the White House. Some of you will go to sleep tonight all phoucing depressed, thinking that Trump has pussed out, and Vlad has more hair on his ass than Donald. Not me, I'm sleeping well. I'm sleeping well because I can recognize the plan at work. I recognize this is the exact same plan that worked for Reagan. I know that if Merkel, May and the rest of the Euroweenies get on board, Putin is toast and so are a lot of the World's problems. So of you will also realize this and stop bitching. You might also get to the point where you start to understand that Trump uses economics both as a carrot and a stick. He puts the screws to Lil Kim, and gets him talking. Tells him that NK can either wither on the vine, or grow and get rich and TRUMP holds the keys to both. For Putin, he DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH PUTIN! Trump wants Putin OUT OF OFFICE and the way to make that happen permanently is to cripple the Russian econimy to the point that either Vlad gives in or the Russian people throw him out. Two words. Pee-pee tape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czZNYIt-zlAHatari- Just shut up. You're defending the worst president in the history of America: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-scorn-the-most/?utm_term=.5b1d80ff27b9
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Reagan other than his speech and supposed challenge had little to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union, In fact he wasn't even President at the time... also a lot of what later has been credited to Reagan was actually Bush Sr., that being aside it was wholly Gorbachev's policies and those results that brought about the dissolving of the Soviet Republics. Star-Wars was a total failure at the time and for many years after though it did result in quite a few technological breakthroughs far down the line... but by then Regan, Gorbachev and the Soviet Union were long gone and had nothing to do with the Soviet dissolvement and/or the collapse of the wall, which was I believe 9 Nov, 1989 nearly a year after Reagan leaving office
Your post is pure BS!
Phil So Reagan had nothing to do with the dissolution of the USSR? BS yourself!
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It seems peculiar to me that people would think that destroying Putin would be one of Trump's priorities when he's got all that he can do to prevent America from collapsing because of internal rot and a constant barrage of attacks on western culture from the globalists.
As for the possibility of putting Russia in economic straits buy out spending them militarily,..that ship sailed a long time ago. The U.S. annually allocates 700 billion dollars to military spending even though the country is 21 trillion dollars in debt.
Russia spends 1/10 of that amount on it's military.
Bottom line,...Putin has fuggall to do with America's problems.
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If anyone wants to take something out of my OP (which is admittedly too long for consumption by most doubters), it should be this:
Trump has no desire to "negotiate" with Putin. there is no "negotiating" with Putin. Vlad is a hardcore despot and will NEVER do anything that does not clearly give him some advantage. Trump's plan is to cripple Russia economically and force Putin from power and hopefully sweep in reformers. Once that happens, Trump and the rest of the West can then attempt to negotiate with some leaders.
Explains why Trump isn't in Putin's face. He thinks Putin is irrelevant. It's not Putin that holds the key to US-Russia negations. It will be Putin's successor. Putin will not negotiate in good faith.
This also explains why Trump is in Europe's face. He wants them to work the plan. Up NATO spending forcing the Russians to keep up, and don't buy their energy thereby starving them economically. Your OP was very good, Jeff, but this summary is more usefuller... at least for the "four legs good, two legs bad" crowd. I copied/pasted/edited this and posted it on my sister's facebook page. I expect her Canadian communist friends' heads are exploding as I type this post. My only quibble with you is that I'm not sure he is looking to destabilize Putin to force regime change as much as destabilize to force cooperation. Putin may be more useful to the West if he stays in power than if he's forced out by moderates. The value of a Strongman in a rogue state has been proven time and again (Iran under the Shah, Libya under Ghaddafi, etc). But either way, the goal is to hurt Putin/Russia, and hurt him badly. I can't be done with bombs and missiles, we don't want to provoke WW3... but it can be done the same way Reagan did it. Either way it's pretty much brilliant. And I have to say that GG and piddle-in-his-pants have been highly entertaining on this thread. As BB would say of each of them, "What a maroon!" I can remember some of the 80's political harassment of Reagan, I was a bit young to understand it at that time, but completely grasp the love he had for his country, today. It's a good thing to see the commies on this site still hate Reagan with a passion and I don't blame them. After all, he is the single source that destroyed the largest communist society in history. They hate him because he beat them...bigly! I believe that Trump also loves his country and no one can dispute his desire to win.
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It's a bit disturbing for me to see people on the right coming up with their own justifications for being hostile towards Russia.
It tells me that all of the nonsense being constantly spewed about Russian collusion with Trump during the election is having an effect even with Trump supporters.
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It's a bit disturbing for me to see people on the right coming up with their own justifications for being hostile towards Russia.
It tells me that all of the nonsense being constantly spewed about Russian collusion with Trump during the election is having an effect even with Trump supporters. It’s called linguistic imprinting. Obumbles used the same tactic of repeatedly telling a falsehood with the help of the msm 24 hrs a day and the weak minded fell for it both terms. China obviously is our biggest security concern and this is a wonderful distraction for them
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It seems peculiar to me that people would think that destroying Putin would be one of Trump's priorities when he's got all that he can do to prevent America from collapsing because of internal rot and a constant barrage of attacks on western culture from the globalists.
As for the possibility of putting Russia in economic straits buy out spending them militarily,..that ship sailed a long time ago. The U.S. annually allocates 700 billion dollars to military spending even though the country is 21 trillion dollars in debt.
Russia spends 1/10 of that amount on it's military.
Bottom line,...Putin has fuggall to do with America's problems. I don't think Putin is even in the top ten of things we need to worry about. Going to DEFCON 1 because the rooskies "meddled in our election" would be a pretty funny story line if it didn't have so many people rolling around and speaking in tongues.
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Just saw this...late to the game I guess. Hatari, excellent post. Thanks for connecting the dots. Great job.
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As Rush just said. If Trump acknowledegd Putin collusion the lame brains would go insane saying he knew Putin helped him win.
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