|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 461
Campfire Member
|
OP
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 461 |
I put an image in the "Image Gallery" but can't figure out how to make it show up here.
Forgive me, I'm technically challenged.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,935
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,935 |
BwanaND, I hope you get an answer, because I'm in the same boat! You can upload images directly to your posts, but the size is limited to something like 97KB, and most of us want to see better images of our gun porn. I use Imgur, but I think it might be more secure if we could get the large Image Gallery files to attach to our posts.
Clinging to guns & religion since 1959
Keyboards make people braver than alcohol
Election Integrity is more important than Election Convenience
Washington Post: "Democracy Dies in Darkness" More correct: "Killing Democracy Faster Than Darkness"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1 |
I'd be willing to spend $600 if it was in great shape, but not if bubbaed or neglected. I'm partial to the .32 over the .30-30, but there is no real difference. Well there didn't used to be, but now the factory ammo is a lot more expensive. I am a fan of the 32 Win Spcl. I own several ; Marlin and Winchester. Here's an excerpt from - WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL? By: M. L. McPherson "Enough history, let us compare the 32 WS to its vastly more popular parent and see if we can figure out why the newer chambering never caught on. It has been stated by many pundits - including some who should know better - that these two cartridges are ballistic twins; this just is not true! The 32 WS and the 30-30 use the same basic case. Both are loaded to the same nominal pressure and are chambered in virtually identical rifles. Here the equality ends. The 32 WS bullet has an 8.6% greater cross-sectional area. Consequently, it can be loaded to generate significantly more power. This is a matter of basic physics: Equal pressure acting on a greater area through an equal distance will accelerate an equal mass to a greater velocity. Another significant factor: The 32 WS has more usable powder capacity! This may seem odd, since the cases are nominally identical, excepting neck diameter. The explanation is twofold: When these have the same nose shape and are the same weight, a 0.321-inch diameter 32 WS bullet is shorter than a 0.308-inch diameter 30-30 bullet. Since both cartridges must be loaded to about the same overall length the 32 WS bullet does not enter as far into the case; the difference is worth about 1.2 grains of usable capacity. Furthermore, standards call for 0.01-inch greater overall cartridge length for the 32 WS. This adds another 0.2 grains to usable case capacity. This is a total difference of about 1.4 grains. Since the 30-30 holds about 35 grains of powder, this difference exceeds 4%. Finally, the slower rifling rate in the 32 WS spins the bullet slower. Spinning of the 32 WS bullet consumes on about 60% of the energy that spinning the 30-30 does. With less energy used to spin the bullet, more is available to accelerate it. This effect, while minor, is real. Unquestionably, and despite contrary claims by so-called experts: the 32 WS, when properly loaded to the same pressure and when used in rifles with the same length barrel, will easily generate 14% more muzzle energy than the 30-30. That significantly exceeds the difference between the 280 Remington and the 7mm Remington Magnum! "
NRA Endowment Member Firearms Accumulator Proud Trumpster!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3 |
I couldn't tell a damn bit of difference in effectiveness between a .30-30 and a .35 Remington. I damn sure doubt a .32 is gong to bedazzle me with it's devastating deadliness.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1 |
A 22 rimfire can be devastating behind the ear. In the real world of hunting, no two shots can be truly duplicated. The question was whether there is a difference between the 30-30 and the 32 Spcl. There is. Is it evident in the field? In most instances, probably not. On occasion, perhaps.
T.S.
Last edited by TexasShooter; 07/21/18.
NRA Endowment Member Firearms Accumulator Proud Trumpster!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3 |
A 22 rimfire can be devastating behind the ear. In the real world of hunting, no two shots can be truly duplicated. The question was whether there is a difference between the 30-30 and the 32 Spcl. There is. Is it evident in the field? In most instances, probably not. On occasion, perhaps.
T.S. I seriously doubt even on occasion, at least as far as deer are concerned. I've killed over 80 of them with a .30-30 and 12 with a .35 Remington and never saw a discernable difference in effect. But then I've killed another 120 plus with everything from a .222 to a .30-06, 12 gauge slugs and 50 caliber muzzleloader and honestly see very little difference except the bigger guns more often produce an exit and better blood trail. Other than that, shoot them high shoulder/spine/head and they drop right now. Shoot them lungs/heart and they generally run 30-60 yards and fall over. Doesn't much matter whether you shot them with a .223, .30-30, .35 Rem. 30-06 or 12 gauge slug.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 6,831
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 6,831 |
I'd be willing to spend $600 if it was in great shape, but not if bubbaed or neglected. I'm partial to the .32 over the .30-30, but there is no real difference. Well there didn't used to be, but now the factory ammo is a lot more expensive. I am a fan of the 32 Win Spcl. I own several ; Marlin and Winchester. Here's an excerpt from - WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL? By: M. L. McPherson "Enough history, let us compare the 32 WS to its vastly more popular parent and see if we can figure out why the newer chambering never caught on. It has been stated by many pundits - including some who should know better - that these two cartridges are ballistic twins; this just is not true! The 32 WS and the 30-30 use the same basic case. Both are loaded to the same nominal pressure and are chambered in virtually identical rifles. Here the equality ends. The 32 WS bullet has an 8.6% greater cross-sectional area. Consequently, it can be loaded to generate significantly more power. This is a matter of basic physics: Equal pressure acting on a greater area through an equal distance will accelerate an equal mass to a greater velocity. Another significant factor: The 32 WS has more usable powder capacity! This may seem odd, since the cases are nominally identical, excepting neck diameter. The explanation is twofold: When these have the same nose shape and are the same weight, a 0.321-inch diameter 32 WS bullet is shorter than a 0.308-inch diameter 30-30 bullet. Since both cartridges must be loaded to about the same overall length the 32 WS bullet does not enter as far into the case; the difference is worth about 1.2 grains of usable capacity. Furthermore, standards call for 0.01-inch greater overall cartridge length for the 32 WS. This adds another 0.2 grains to usable case capacity. This is a total difference of about 1.4 grains. Since the 30-30 holds about 35 grains of powder, this difference exceeds 4%. Finally, the slower rifling rate in the 32 WS spins the bullet slower. Spinning of the 32 WS bullet consumes on about 60% of the energy that spinning the 30-30 does. With less energy used to spin the bullet, more is available to accelerate it. This effect, while minor, is real. Unquestionably, and despite contrary claims by so-called experts: the 32 WS, when properly loaded to the same pressure and when used in rifles with the same length barrel, will easily generate 14% more muzzle energy than the 30-30. That significantly exceeds the difference between the 280 Remington and the 7mm Remington Magnum! " I know we all can split hairs when discussing different cartridges, but this guy takes hairsplitting to a whole new level!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754 |
I got my first .32 Special a few weeks back. Reloading it with Hornady 170 grainers and Varget. It's a 1955 manufacture.
I find that the .32 Special kicks more than a .30/30, and I can get a bit over 2200 fps with it, while the .30/30 hangs around 2000 fps. Interesting to note that in the .303 British, both PRVI and Winchester 180 grainers only get between 2100 - 2200 fps. So a .32 SPCL is basically doing the same job as factory .303 and in a much lighter handier rifle.
(On the drilling and tapping at the factory for peep sight: I had a 1952 manufacture 94 that did not have screw holes for a peep sight. I think they must have added sometime in 1951?)
"A person that carries a cat home by the tail will receive information that will always be useful to him." Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1 |
Blackheart, your experience exemplifies the importance of bullet placement. I confess that I often take the high shoulder spine shot so I won't have to go looking for it. Bottom line, if you shoot them right, dead is dead.
As for splitting hairs, probably more discussion over the years has surrounded comparing the performance of similar cartridges than any other topic. It's a lot of fun. :-)
T.S.
NRA Endowment Member Firearms Accumulator Proud Trumpster!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3 |
I got my first .32 Special a few weeks back. Reloading it with Hornady 170 grainers and Varget. It's a 1955 manufacture.
I find that the .32 Special kicks more than a .30/30, and I can get a bit over 2200 fps with it, while the .30/30 hangs around 2000 fps. Interesting to note that in the .303 British, both PRVI and Winchester 180 grainers only get between 2100 - 2200 fps. So a .32 SPCL is basically doing the same job as factory .303 and in a much lighter handier rifle.
(On the drilling and tapping at the factory for peep sight: I had a 1952 manufacture 94 that did not have screw holes for a peep sight. I think they must have added sometime in 1951?) I just recently chrono'd 170 grain Federal Power Shok .30-30 factory loads at 2004 fps average for 5 shots with a low of 2190 and a high of 2016 fps.. On the same day 150 grain Remington Core- Lokt's averaged 2375 fps for 5 shots. This is from the 20" barrel of my Marlin 336.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,792
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,792 |
My 2 best loads in the 32 Special with 20" barrel are the following. 1. 38.5gr of LeverEvolution 165gr FTX Hornady WLR primer Hornady case 2.55 OAL Average was 2274 FPS SD 22.2 good accuracy.
2. 32.5gr of Accurate A2495BR WLR primer Hornady case 2.360 OAL Average was 2175 FPS SD 23.0
When I go hunting with it I will use 38.5gr of LeverEvolution.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754 |
I got my first .32 Special a few weeks back. Reloading it with Hornady 170 grainers and Varget. It's a 1955 manufacture.
I find that the .32 Special kicks more than a .30/30, and I can get a bit over 2200 fps with it, while the .30/30 hangs around 2000 fps. Interesting to note that in the .303 British, both PRVI and Winchester 180 grainers only get between 2100 - 2200 fps. So a .32 SPCL is basically doing the same job as factory .303 and in a much lighter handier rifle.
(On the drilling and tapping at the factory for peep sight: I had a 1952 manufacture 94 that did not have screw holes for a peep sight. I think they must have added sometime in 1951?) I just recently chrono'd 170 grain Federal Power Shok .30-30 factory loads at 2004 fps average for 5 shots with a low of 2190 and a high of 2016 fps.. On the same day 150 grain Remington Core- Lokt's averaged 2375 fps for 5 shots. This is from the 20" barrel of my Marlin 336. In .30-30 the PRVI 150 grain load is a good one, that gets an honest 2350 fps I was surprised how low the Winchester factory goes both in .30-30 and .303. I might try some Federal - I just cannot get Remington CoreLokts mostly, and when I do find it its priced like it was special premium ammo.
"A person that carries a cat home by the tail will receive information that will always be useful to him." Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,242 Likes: 3 |
I got my first .32 Special a few weeks back. Reloading it with Hornady 170 grainers and Varget. It's a 1955 manufacture.
I find that the .32 Special kicks more than a .30/30, and I can get a bit over 2200 fps with it, while the .30/30 hangs around 2000 fps. Interesting to note that in the .303 British, both PRVI and Winchester 180 grainers only get between 2100 - 2200 fps. So a .32 SPCL is basically doing the same job as factory .303 and in a much lighter handier rifle.
(On the drilling and tapping at the factory for peep sight: I had a 1952 manufacture 94 that did not have screw holes for a peep sight. I think they must have added sometime in 1951?) I just recently chrono'd 170 grain Federal Power Shok .30-30 factory loads at 2004 fps average for 5 shots with a low of 2190 and a high of 2016 fps.. On the same day 150 grain Remington Core- Lokt's averaged 2375 fps for 5 shots. This is from the 20" barrel of my Marlin 336. In .30-30 the PRVI 150 grain load is a good one, that gets an honest 2350 fps I was surprised how low the Winchester factory goes both in .30-30 and .303. I might try some Federal - I just cannot get Remington CoreLokts mostly, and when I do find it its priced like it was special premium ammo. That was a misprint above on the Federal 170 velocity. It should have read 2204 fps average for five shots with a low of 2190 and high of 2216. Good load. Shoots sub MOA groups out of my 336 and kills deer very well.. They're good out of my Winchester's too. So good that I don't bother with handloads anymore and buy the Federal's by the case.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 104
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 104 |
I now own three .32WS. Two pre-64 carbines and a 1918 rifle. I just bought the second carbine online and don't have it yet. It appears to be in excellent condition. My other one is in good shape, but just a good old shooter. The rifle has had the strap brazed, but shoots good. It has a peep sight.
I paid $525 Cdn delivered for the second one. The old rifle cost me $325.
It is more the nostalgia and "romance" of shooting the .32's more than anything that attracts me to them. I do have a Canadian Centennial 30-30 carbine. The matching rifle was stolen some years back. As far as the differences in ballistics, it matters not to me.
Last edited by kjohn; 08/19/18.
If there isn't a gun range in heaven, then I'm going to hell!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,042 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 14,042 Likes: 1 |
BD's 32
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 461
Campfire Member
|
OP
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 461 |
Thanks for posting the pic deerstalker, but what is the secret?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,982 Likes: 1 |
Looks to be in pretty good condition. Like someone said early on - give your friend $600 and thank him for loaning you the rifle.
Also, according to Blackheart's post, he's killed at least 212 deer. Assuming 50 years of hunting, that averages over 4 deer every year! Wow!!
T.S.
NRA Endowment Member Firearms Accumulator Proud Trumpster!!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 406
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 406 |
I have a 1903 .32, oct. rifle with the .32 Spl. sight and use 170 gr. Hornady's (are there any other choices beside 'red tips' and cast?) over 35.8 grs. of #748 with good results.
"Lever actions, contenders, pointing dogs and doo-wop music."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,313
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,313 |
I've got three 32 Winchester Specials: A 94 made in 1949 (my first rifle), a 94 made in 1957, and a Marlin 36 made in 1947. Remington, Winchester, and Federal factory ammo out of these 20" barrels is 2070 to 2080 fps, except one box of Remington from the early 90's that was about 100 fps more. My handload for these is the 170 gr. Speer and 36.0 gr. W748. The velocity and POI matches the factory ammo. Other handloads have gone faster, but none as accurate nor matching the factory ammo POI.
Brushbuster: "Is this thread about the dear heard or there Jeans?" Plugger: "If you cant be safe at strip club in Detroit at 2am is anywhere safe?" Deer are somewhere all the time To report a post you disagree with, please push Alt + F4. Thank You.
|
|
|
|
631 members (007FJ, 160user, 10ring1, 10gaugeman, 10Glocks, 12344mag, 64 invisible),
2,620
guests, and
1,376
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,213
Posts18,485,446
Members73,966
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|