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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think?
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I don't know. I never got to hunt them. I always thought I'd love to take a 7mm Magnum after them. That's how my late FIL did it and he killed one at around 500 yards with the Big 7.
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Yes, you'll be fine... I'd feel compfy shooting caribou with a 22-250 or any of the 6mm's..
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? I dunno..if you are taking 143 bullets...that oughta be enough!
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Big barren ground caribou bulls are only about the size of average cow elk. They're easy to kill.
I am assuming by 143 bullets, you're referring to an ELDX right?
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? I dunno..if you are taking 143 bullets...that oughta be enough! What is the bag limit? regardless, 143 ought to be enough.
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Never personally hunted them.
My dad did though, frequently in Quebec.
He said he never saw anything like it. If you put a bullet in them,
they just stopped, or lay down. You could walk right up and finish them.
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? I dunno..if you are taking 143 bullets...that oughta be enough! Question is......is he gonna take the rest of the cartridge???
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'Course, it would be 150 bullets if they are Noslers and JeffO is opening the box....
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? A few things to consider: 1. The distance between longitudinal lines shrinks as you head north, so things are significantly closer together than they are further south. 2. Things are so screwed up you can shoot today and kill an animal yesterday or tomorrow. 3. Putting a wrap of blue tape on your rifle barrel enhances accuracy and increases its effective range. 4. With 143 bullets, most rifles could do the job - even a .17HMR.
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4 caribou at 300,400or 500 yards, What distance is the 4th caribou at?
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4 caribou at 300,400or 500 yards, What distance is the 4th caribou at? 
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Anie,
I was going to make a funny comment but huntsman beat me to it so I'll give you a straight forward answer.
A 6.5 Creedmoor shooting a 143 grain ELDX will kill them just fine if you do your part and put it in the heart/lung area. I used the same round to drop a small bull elk that had been wounded in the hind leg, 395 yard shot. Caribou are no bigger.
In several trips to Alaska and Quebec I have taken 6 caribou. Their reaction to being hit is to stop in their tracks then start staggering backwards, spin a circle then drop. They aren't real tough.
Don't think about 400 yards or longer. Long range shooting seems to have infected a lot of people's brains. I killed all my caribou from 20 yards to 150 yards, and I have been close enough during a migration to touch them as they walked past me. You can easily get inside 200 yards and should make the effort to do so.
With population levels down across several herds and no season now in Quebec, may I ask where you are hunting?
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I've only ever been hunting for them once. 3 of us killed a total of 5 caribou on that trip. 2 with 7Mag/160 Partitions, 3 w/270Win and 140gn TSX. Closest was ~100yds, furthest was 385yds. There wasn't really a lick of difference in how they died between the 7 and the 270. I shot the closest and the furthest with a 270/140TSX combo. In my vast experience of once  , I wouldn't hesitate to use a 243Win, 6 or 6.5 Creed, 250-3000 Savage, or any of about 3 dozen other chamberings for caribou.
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Thanks for the info and insults lol woody heading to nunavut, usually take a 300 win mag that redneck made me, can shoot along way off of sand eskers up there.
been playing around with a sauer 100 6.5 this summer have not used it on game yet 1/2 moa rifle for $700 kinda ugly like a tikka but if it shoots what ya do
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4 caribou at 300,400or 500 yards, What distance is the 4th caribou at? Is it 4 caribou total or 4 at each given distance?
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Well, if it is 4 caribou each, at 4 given distances, that makes a total of 16 caribou. With 143 bullets, divided amonst 16 'bou, anie can average 8.9375 bullets per caribou.
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Well, if it is 4 caribou each, at 4 given distances, that makes a total of 16 caribou. With 143 bullets, divided amonst 16 'bou, anie can average 8.9375 bullets per caribou.
Mathman If that's the case, I'd leave the .17HMR at home.
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I lived in Barrow, Alaska for 4 years and the most popular round for Caribou was 22-250, followed by 243. There were a lot of wounded caribou left behind. Doesn't take much for them to know a snow machine headed their way means trouble. In that country it's tough to judge distances by sight, and the majority didn't have range finders. I tended to use a 30-06 because that's what I had (my small rifle). Caribou can be at long ranges and it's a whole different thing there as far as distances, Caribou season begins July 1, and ends June 30th. This is above the brooks range. That's because they are constantly moving and subsistence hunters need to have a season when the Caribou come through or there is no meat. They can also shoot 5 caribou a day. There is a real urgency when the time comes so people get their meat so there are also a lot of bullets in the air. Understand it's hard to put the sneak on them. Most I've shot in a day is 3, but I have to have a pretty good sense that I'm going to get a good hit when I shoot. Shooting 400-500 yards isn't that difficult if you spend some time shooting, but most people don't. Most people are lucky to hit at 300 yards. Don't worry about the minimum, worry about getting a good shot in. I'd prefer to see people use 25-06 or more and get clean kills.
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They're not hard to kill unless they get excited, then they can get very hard to kill. Kinda like elk.
A 6.5mm 143 ELD-X is plenty.
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Well, if it is 4 caribou each, at 4 given distances, that makes a total of 16 caribou. With 143 bullets, divided amonst 16 'bou, anie can average 8.9375 bullets per caribou.
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I'll be taking the 143gr. ELD-X bullet with me to AK in 19 days. We'll see how it goes.
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...In several trips to Alaska and Quebec I have taken 6 caribou. Their reaction to being hit is to stop in their tracks then start staggering backwards, spin a circle then drop. They aren't real tough.
Don't think about 400 yards or longer. Long range shooting seems to have infected a lot of people's brains. I killed all my caribou from 20 yards to 150 yards, and I have been close enough during a migration to touch them as they walked past me. You can easily get inside 200 yards and should make the effort to do so...
I have also shot 6 caribou, and my experiences were close to the same as Woody's. I shot two Alaskan bulls, each with a 180 grain Partition from my .30 Gibbs, both at under 200 yards. I then shot a Mountain caribou bull in the Northwest Territories with my .257 Ackley and a 117 grain Sierra GameKing bullet at about 250 yards. That bullet went completely through the bull, just behind his shoulders, and we heard it ricochet off the rocks 100 yards behind him. He ran about 30 yards and dropped dead. I then shot 2 Central Canadian Barren Ground Caribou east of Inuvik, also in the Northwest Territories. They both basically fell in their tracks, each from a 160 grain Accubond from my 7mm Rem mag. on 100 yard or less shots. One of them qualified for the B&C book. Then last September I made one of the last NR hunts in Quebec and killed another B&C bull, also with my 7mm Rem mag and Accubond bullets, again at under 200 yards. Put your 6.5mm 143 grain ELD-X bullet just behind a bull's shoulder at a reasonable range, and you'll be eating caribou tenderloins that night.
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Most rifles suitable for deer are also suitable for caribou. However it is good to remember that usually where there are caribou there are bear. Sometimes when you enter the food chain it is not always at the top.
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when i lived in alaska i killed several with my 270 win and factory 130/150 corelokts. never a problem. the 6.5 cm should work.
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? I dunno..if you are taking 143 bullets...that oughta be enough! What is the bag limit? regardless, 143 ought to be enough. geeze — Tough crowd. Won’t even give a gal a break.  Y’all could’ve (not couldof) at least done a smiley. Jerry
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Question is......is he gonna take the rest of the cartridge???
? HE ?, never knew a guy named Anie.  Jerry
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? A few things to consider: 1. The distance between longitudinal lines shrinks as you head north, so things are significantly closer together than they are further south. 2. Things are so screwed up you can shoot today and kill an animal yesterday or tomorrow. 3. Putting a wrap of blue tape on your rifle barrel enhances accuracy and increases its effective range. 4. With 143 bullets, most rifles could do the job - even a .17HMR. R O F Come on now ! Jerry
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a sauer 100 6.5 this summer have not used it on game yet 1/2 moa rifle for $700 kinda ugly like a tikka but if it shoots what ya do What ? A Tikka ? ugly ?..... I take back my defense for you.  Jerry
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Well, if it is 4 caribou each, at 4 given distances, that makes a total of 16 caribou. With 143 bullets, divided amonst 16 'bou, anie can average 8.9375 bullets per caribou.
Mathman I give up !!  Anie these guys have no mercy. Jerry
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They're not hard to kill unless they get excited, then they can get very hard to kill. Kinda like elk.
Whitetail are the same too. Jerry
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Question is......is he gonna take the rest of the cartridge???
? HE ?, never knew a guy named Anie. Jerry One should not make assumptions based on screen name. A poster on here has a screen name "maggie" (funny, longish story) who is a dude. Just sayin.
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Well ironbender, I never considered 'Anie' to be anything other than a 'female's' name. I guess I did 'ass ume' ? however it has never entered my mind to post as shirley, june, rachael.  I've heard about 'maggie' tho. - ? ? ?  Thank you sir. now, "anie" ifn UR a dude, you deserve what U get. Jerry
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I’d say if you can put the bullet where you want it, it will work. Personally, a 6.5 cartridge of any flavor will do the job on caribou.
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Now guys, don't ya know the 7 mag.......kills em tooo dead ? Seriously, it don't take a mag to kill 'bou but HI velocity makes hitten em farther away....easier. Jerry
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6.5x55 loaded with a 129g Hornady Sp is wicked, wicked meds for Caribou...think Tikka. 129 works lots better than 140 in the hornady line up.
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Caribou don't need much killing. I've eaten a bunch that died from 100 measly grains (6mm). It worked great though had less noticeable impact than when shot with the 7mm-08, with which I've killed a bunch more. And the 6.5 Swede (with 120 NBTs mostly) has accounted for plenty more with similar aplomb to the small 7.
Some folks dote on the 25-06 for caribou since it gives a flatter trajectory. I never killed 'em deader with it either...nor less deader.
Don't over-think a caribou rifle. Lots of speed can get messy at times. Being familiar enough to hit well at a variety of distances is probably the most useful thing to consider.
Plain old Interlocks work great on 'bou. Anything 'better' is gravy (and may be less messy if you hit bigger bones.)
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...but HI velocity makes hitten em farther away....easier. Jerry True, but recoil makes hitten em farther away....harder... No matter how well you handle recoil, I've yet to meet anyone who shoots a 7Mag/.300Mag better than they shoot a .22LR or .223.
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7 Rem mags don’t have much recoil!!
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7 Rem mags don’t have much recoil!! Exactly. I've never had trouble shooting 7 mag to the potential of the rifle.
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True, but recoil makes hitten em farther away....harder... No matter how well you handle recoil, I've yet to meet anyone who shoots a 7Mag/.300Mag better than they shoot a .22LR or .223. I see the :grin , okay. We all have diff personalities and recoil tolerances. Whether it's caribou, Anti lopes, etc. they inhabit some expanses in terrain. Guys/gals should shoot what THEY can handle. The 25-06 is pretty mild yet fairly flat. The 7 mag is banana puddin to me. We have to live within our limitations and live with the results. Jerry ps: maybe a 240 Wby would be good.
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If going on a solo hunt in the wilderness of Alaska, I'd not even consider the creedmoor. I go with a 7mm magnum or bigger loaded with 160gr bullets. The 338WM is hard to leave at home when Bears are present.
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True, but recoil makes hitten em farther away....harder... No matter how well you handle recoil, I've yet to meet anyone who shoots a 7Mag/.300Mag better than they shoot a .22LR or .223. I see the :grin , okay. We all have diff personalities and recoil tolerances. Whether it's caribou, Anti lopes, etc. they inhabit some expanses in terrain. Guys/gals should shoot what THEY can handle. The 25-06 is pretty mild yet fairly flat. The 7 mag is banana puddin to me. We have to live within our limitations and live with the results. Jerry ps: maybe a 240 Wby would be good. No argument here. In fact, the 7 Mag is no big deal to me, either. But that doesn't change the fact that people shoot softer-recoiling rifles better than harder-recoiling ones. One's ability to place the shot perfectly is a compromise between precision/shootability, and ballistically mitigating variables as much as possible, like elevation and wind drift.
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Like others have said, the 6.5 would work just fine. I’d personally use something a bit bigger if it were my trip- like my .280, .30-06, or 7RM, but to each his own. My father has had excellent luck with both 125 Partitions and 140 Accubonds from his Creedmoor, so those are two additional bullets I’d recommend.
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But the bears! I got to wondering one time why it was that I often heard guys when I lived in AK say, “yeah I know you can kill caribou with less than a 375, but there’s bears around”. But I never met anyone who went out hunting grouse or ptarmigan with their 375 or 338. Guess there’s only bears when you’re hunting big game or fishing in downtown Kenai.
Caribou are easy to kill and generally don’t have to be shot at long distances IME. Assuming on the distance part that you aren’t going to be hunting heavily pressured animals near a road or village. The last drop hunt I did for them I discovered after the plane left that I had mistakenly grabbed the wrong ammunition for my 257WBY. Instead of 100gr X bullets I had 85gr Ballistic tips. Not one to be put off by a little setback I promptly killed two nice bulls with one shot each. Don’t recall staying up nights worrying if I had enough gun for the bears either.
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7 Rem mags don’t have much recoil!! Agreed. If one cannot handle a 7 mag, then they have issues. I have had three different ones and never had issues with any of them. I have shot .270s that kick harder than my 7 mags.
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Threads like this never fail to point out that no matter how hard we try, there is really not much (if anything) that will better a 30-06 or 270 for 95% of the hunting we do here in NA. They might be boring to some, but they do get the job done as well or better than most of the new offerings. If one was after caribou where there may be bear trouble, it would be hard to beat a 30-06 with a 180gr Partition. I shot mine with a 375. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/Jh4af4H.jpg)
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SC - Agree on you analysis and let me also say "WOW" on the photo!
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Hey Cub, That's a dandy 'bou your Son killed there. Jerry
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Hey Cub, That's a dandy 'bou your Son killed there. Jerry LOL ....... That was only 8 yrs ago. I still have a couple winters left.
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Didn't read the whole thread, but I have been led to believe that the caribou rifle is whatever is standing behind the kitchen door...
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The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil.
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Given equal rifles that are equally accurate, I’d be very surprised if that trend turned out to be the case.
Fear of recoil isn’t the problem (at least not always). Recoil management is what robs accuracy. There’s a reason BR shooters use heavy rifles, chamberings with minimal recoil, and stock/bag designs that allow the rifle to recoil straight back with no muzzle rise. And many use free-recoil techniques, too...
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If I'm shooting sub moa with a 7mm Rem Mag, shaving maybe another 1/4" off with a .243 or a 6.5 Needmoor isn't going to help me kill anything. But I can't speak for everybody. Like I said my case is unusual. I was started on a .30-06 and 180 Remington Green Box right from the beginning. When I shoot a light rifle I always feel like something is missing. Much like a flat chested woman.
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I only hunted them one time. Didn't get one. I carried a 348 Winchester, M71.
My brother-in-law (who lives in Alaska) used an Iron-Sighted Winchester M70 30-06 with 220 grain bullets every year and said in 30 years he's never had a shot over 200 yards. That's what he uses on moose, black bears, grizzly's wolves and caribou. He moved there in 1974 and it's the only rifle he owns, and the only one he's ever owned. yet he never seems to have much problem filling the freezer.
When I hunted them I hit them between the herds moving I guess, and we had only 3 days to hunt.
Of the 5 of us on that 3 day hunt, none of us got one and we only saw one herd on the 3rd day out at about 2 miles just about 90 minutes before it got dark. Rifles carried were one 348 Winchester with peep sight, one 30-06 with irons, 0ne 308 with a 2.5X scope, One 270 with a 3X-9X scope and one 7MM Mag with a 3X-9x scope. No shots fired at all.
My brother in law told me that my peep-sighted M71 was 100% ok and I believe him. But you have to find them no matter what you carry. I didn't
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Is a creedmore with 143 bullets big enough 4 caribou at 300,400
or 500 yards, or should I use a bigger gun, what ya think? I dunno..if you are taking 143 bullets...that oughta be enough! What is the bag limit? regardless, 143 ought to be enough. geeze — Tough crowd. Won’t even give a gal a break. Y’all could’ve (not couldof) at least done a smiley. Jerry I apologize for being a meanie.
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The Creed with 143's will do fine. My .260 with 140 factory Corelokts did on the several I shot with it to out beyond 300 yards Best caribou gun I ever had was a RU77V in .25-06 using 120gr Speer hand-loads.
Lately I've used a M98 in '06 with 27 inch heavy barrel to good effect to almost 500 yards, starting with factory Corelokts in 150 gr, and progressing into the Hornady Superperformance line (also 150). Not something I'd pack up a sheep mountain, but no prob using an ATV or snowmobile.
As said, caribou die pretty easy, based on the 75 or so I've taken. Can't recall any that I have shot that didn't die within a few yards, except two, that ran 75 yards or so, then ran back to near where they were hit to fall. I did see an unaware cow shot several decades ago that bolted at the shot and ran nearly 200 yards, and her with a lung blown out the far side... Weird, and exceptional.
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Yes, the 6.5 Creed has plenty of the "right stuff" for caribou, even a big bull shot through the lungs is dead bull. My wife and I will be hunting caribou for a few days starting tomorrow and we are using the 6.5 Creed and 127 grain Barnes LRX bullets. If we bump a griz I will use it on the griz also. I will have my .338 Winny along, but it is a back up rifle on this trip.
Every year many caribou are killed with the .243 Win. and the .223 Rem. The Mini 14 and AR platform are popular caribou choices in rural Alaska.
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Headstamps and rifles don't very often kill things. Bullets do, though. All you "Get a Magnum" guys ever have wives or children that you goaded with that same horseshit, or were the size of your testicles sufficient in those times to simply hand them the rifle that would be honestly enough? I promise: EVERYONE shoots small cartridges better in sporting-weight rifles.
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The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil. We see guys like you every year who have "little fear of recoil". Invariably, these are the guys who screw up shots and make a guide's life a living hell.
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The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil. We see guys like you every year who have "little fear of recoil". Invariably, these are the guys who screw up shots and make a guide's life a living hell. That is not limited to Montana...
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Headstamps and rifles don't very often kill things. Bullets do, though. All you "Get a Magnum" guys ever have wives or children that you goaded with that same horseshit, or were the size of your testicles sufficient in those times to simply hand them the rifle that would be honestly enough? I promise: EVERYONE shoots small cartridges better in sporting-weight rifles. Ohhh the times........
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Headstamps and rifles don't very often kill things. Bullets do, though. All you "Get a Magnum" guys ever have wives or children that you goaded with that same horseshit, or were the size of your testicles sufficient in those times to simply hand them the rifle that would be honestly enough? I promise: EVERYONE shoots small cartridges better in sporting-weight rifles. The "magnum" thing means nothing. For example, a .458 Lott shoots big testicles, but does not have a "magnum" on the head-stamp. Yes, the OP can use any of the numerous small cartridges to hunt caribou, because these animals aren't very large (from 300-400 pounds, which leaves about 100 pounds of meat). All kinds of small cartridges have been used for decades to kill caribou in Alaska. But it's true that there is a good chance to have bears (black and grizzly) where the caribou are. By the way, the caribou hunting season in the Interior of Alaska has been quite nice. Lots of people got their caribou. For some reason I don't like to hunt nor eat caribou meat, but love moose meat. The moose season starts in a little over a week from now.
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The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil. We see guys like you every year who have "little fear of recoil". Invariably, these are the guys who screw up shots and make a guide's life a living hell. Hilarious that you think a 7mm mag is a mighty kicker. It might sound and look scary but it's really just a loud 30-06. And a Man that can't shoot a 30-06 ain't much of a man.
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Headstamps and rifles don't very often kill things. Bullets do, though. All you "Get a Magnum" guys ever have wives or children that you goaded with that same horseshit, or were the size of your testicles sufficient in those times to simply hand them the rifle that would be honestly enough? I promise: EVERYONE shoots small cartridges better in sporting-weight rifles. The "magnum" thing means nothing. For example, a .458 Lott shoots big testicles, but does not have a "magnum" on the head-stamp. Yes, the OP can use any of the numerous small cartridges to hunt caribou, because these animals aren't very large (from 300-400 pounds, which leaves about 100 pounds of meat). All kinds of small cartridges have been used for decades to kill caribou in Alaska. But it's true that there is a good chance to have bears (black and grizzly) where the caribou are. By the way, the caribou hunting season in the Interior of Alaska has been quite nice. Lots of people got their caribou. For some reason I don't like to hunt nor eat caribou meat, but love moose meat. The moose season starts in a little over a week from now. Ray, "magnum" is a category label, not a name. Since you mention the Lott, it is a step UP from a named Magnum. So if you can't figure out what category it's in, you shouldn't be carrying one. And no one needs a damn magnum to chase away the dreaded bears that are rarely seen, either.
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Your insecurities are showing. I own a 45-70 too. It's my main hunting gun. In light of recent revelations from "experts" on here I'm beginning to doubt if I can still hit anything with it? It's good that you know me so well because I always thought I could handle this stuff. I never would've even known that I'd end up wounding everything in Montana. Good thing I've steered clear.
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it?
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry
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The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil. We see guys like you every year who have "little fear of recoil". Invariably, these are the guys who screw up shots and make a guide's life a living hell. Hilarious that you think a 7mm mag is a mighty kicker. It might sound and look scary but it's really just a loud 30-06. And a Man that can't shoot a 30-06 ain't much of a man. Your comment is quite telling - a part of your masculine identity is tied to larger rifles. Your difficulties in accepting lighter kickers in the thread following your medical diagnosis to stay away from hard kickers, as well as this one, makes sense now. It also makes sense that you take it as a personal attack when folks bring up factual evidence to counter your emotional hang ups. That's ok, plenty of other men think that having the fastest car or wife with the biggest fake boobs makes them more of a man, so you're not alone in the world.
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You may be happy to know I just got back from some range time with the .243 Win. I'm not tied to big guns necessarily as I like the full spectrum. But I actually don't like the .30 plus caliber magnums at all. I recently got a deal on a 300 Magnum that I couldn't pass on and it quickly reminded me why I have sold others in the past. I don't find the 7mm Mag disagreeable however.
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry Mike, if I had a business that benefitted from non residents I’d be careful about criticizing or insulting them. References both/either help or hurt. Jerry
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry Mike, if I had a business that benefitted from non residents I’d be careful about criticizing or insulting them. References both/either help or hurt. Jerry I agree Jerry. Not everybody is focused on the big picture though. As far as big guns go, it is not a macho thing it is a need. We have concurrent Bear season along with deer season. When I'm hunting deer I'm usually more interested in trying to find a bear. The places you find bear around here, well the encounters are usually better measured in feet than in yards. If I am ever fortunate enough to run into one of our 400-800 pound Bruins at rock throwing distance here, then I'll feel much better with a 45-70 or a 35 Whelen over a 243 or a Creedmoor. Western hunters just don't understand the situation here. They try to insert their conditions into ours and the two are not relatable.
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And for the record I've never carried a magnum afield a day in my life. Never hunted with one. Unless you count 357 and 44 magnum revolvers and carbines.
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Mike Well having bear and maybe BIGUNS at close range calls for preparations. I had a 35 Whelen PUMP that I built BEFORE Rem adopted the cartridge in the 7600s. That would be comforting in those situations. I did kill some deer with the Whelen but it WAS overkill. There was only 1 reason I got rid of it. Don't remember the years but the scuttlebutt was Dupont was dropping IMR 4320 from production. JDJ said that 4320 was THE powder for the 35 W and I found -**AT the time**- he was right. WELL 4320 was NOT dropped and I can't get the rifle back. The guy is a COLLECTOR and not a hunter. He won't turn loose of it. With the rifles and cals/cartridges I have now, I'd feel JUST as comfortable with my 6 OH6 in 30-06 with the right bullets. AS TO NEED - I have NO need to hunt a mag for WT deer. I do for 2 reasons. 1. I like the rifles and cartridges. 2. Familiarity is worth a TON. I have the possibility of Elk hunting here in Ar. so I hunt my mags to stay COMFORTABLE shooting and hunting them. I can pass any reasonable rifle/cartridge shooting test for hunting, REGARDLESS of what some might think. Good Luck Jerry
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry Mike, if I had a business that benefitted from non residents I’d be careful about criticizing or insulting them. References both/either help or hurt. Jerry I agree Jerry. Not everybody is focused on the big picture though. As far as big guns go, it is not a macho thing it is a need. We have concurrent Bear season along with deer season. When I'm hunting deer I'm usually more interested in trying to find a bear. The places you find bear around here, well the encounters are usually better measured in feet than in yards. If I am ever fortunate enough to run into one of our 400-800 pound Bruins at rock throwing distance here, then I'll feel much better with a 45-70 or a 35 Whelen over a 243 or a Creedmoor. Western hunters just don't understand the situation here. They try to insert their conditions into ours and the two are not relatable. Mike, Just a few comments: - We have plenty of big bears and thick forest here in the west, too - This thread is about hunting Caribou, not deer hunting and tight cover in the eastern US - I can’t fault your choices of hunting rifle for tight cover in your AO, but feeling much better about something doesn’t actually make it more effective in real use. But there’s nothing wrong with carrying what you feel comfortable with
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And for the record I've never carried a magnum afield a day in my life. Never hunted with one. Unless you count 357 and 44 magnum revolvers and carbines and 7 Magnums. Fixed
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Jordan This is a 'friendly' attempt to explain the drift, which isn't much, in this thread. We were talking rifles for Caribou hunting. The 7 mag came up and I agree with its use, because of its trajectory. However the following was injected........... The more I think about it I have done my best shooting with a 7mm Mag. Some of the best groups I've ever fired in my life were with a 7 mag. I can't shoot any better with a 243 or even a 5.56. Now my dad did start me on a 30-06 at age 12 so I have little fear of recoil. We see guys like you every year who have "little fear of recoil". Invariably, these are the guys who screw up shots and make a guide's life a living hell. Agreed - thick cover and game CAN be found in most States. SOME - more than 1 - automatically think Non Residents can't shoot mags accurately. I stated earlier that NO doubt some Non Res. have shown up over gunned and FOUL things up. However all of us are NOT inept with mags. Some of us use magnum rifles NOT because of the size of game or distance BUT to maintain familiarity with them. THUS the line of discussion took this direction. Jerry
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True, but recoil makes hitten em farther away....harder... No matter how well you handle recoil, I've yet to meet anyone who shoots a 7Mag/.300Mag better than they shoot a .22LR or .223. I see the :grin , okay. We all have diff personalities and recoil tolerances. Whether it's caribou, Anti lopes, etc. they inhabit some expanses in terrain. Guys/gals should shoot what THEY can handle. The 25-06 is pretty mild yet fairly flat. The 7 mag is banana puddin to me. We have to live within our limitations and live with the results. Jerry ps: maybe a 240 Wby would be good. No argument here. In fact, the 7 Mag is no big deal to me, either. But that doesn't change the fact that people shoot softer-recoiling rifles better than harder-recoiling ones. One's ability to place the shot perfectly is a compromise between precision/shootability, and ballistically mitigating variables as much as possible, like elevation and wind drift. Jerry, I’m pretty sure I’m the one who started that tangent I don’t think this discussion is about non-residents not being able to shoot mags accurately, but the simple fact that shootability is inversely proportional to recoil, for everyone I’ve ever encountered. We were discussing hitting things “far away”. I do a lot of shooting at “far away” things, and unless the wind is roaring or the distance is extreme, it is invariably easier to hit things with less recoil, for every single shooter I’ve witnessed, including myself. And I tolerate recoil just fine. Some of this has to do with people’s inclination to practice more, and become more familiar with their rifle’s ballistic profile, when recoil and reloading component cost is lower. Not to say a 7 Mag wouldn’t work just fine or be a great choice, but softer recoiling rifles would work just as well for caribou on the tundra, and maybe better for some.
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Jordan Remember most of us are Loony's. I LIKE the mags and enjoy the PUSH ! What can I say, I'm crazy like that.  Jerry
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Off Topic Addendum :
Before 1986 I had a 257 Roberts.
M 77, 1976 yr. American Liberty designate.
I played with it some, it did NOT impress me at all. Just sorta POP, no
BANG, no Push, no Shove. ho hum yawn.
Now I knew it was a ‘76 model but did not appreciate WHAT the cartridge was.
Oh me!
JRS would say, “Little Misses I’ve Known” !
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
I hope you realize the pertinence to this discussion.
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Jordan Remember most of us are Loony's. I LIKE the mags and enjoy the PUSH ! What can I say, I'm crazy like that. Jerry I get it!
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And for the record I've never carried a magnum afield a day in my life. Never hunted with one. Unless you count 357 and 44 magnum revolvers and carbines and 7 Magnums. Fixed Never hunted with a 7 mag. Owned two and took the one along on a Moose but tagged out first morning of hunt with my 450 Marlin.
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry Mike, if I had a business that benefitted from non residents I’d be careful about criticizing or insulting them. References both/either help or hurt. Jerry I agree Jerry. Not everybody is focused on the big picture though. As far as big guns go, it is not a macho thing it is a need. We have concurrent Bear season along with deer season. When I'm hunting deer I'm usually more interested in trying to find a bear. The places you find bear around here, well the encounters are usually better measured in feet than in yards. If I am ever fortunate enough to run into one of our 400-800 pound Bruins at rock throwing distance here, then I'll feel much better with a 45-70 or a 35 Whelen over a 243 or a Creedmoor. Western hunters just don't understand the situation here. They try to insert their conditions into ours and the two are not relatable. LOL. The big picture isn't getting money from any dude who wants to come hunt. The big picture is keeping ourselves sane, having fun, and protecting the animals we hunt from undo hardship, along with the mission of giving our clients a good hunt. Those tasks all becomes a lot more difficult for everyone involved when we're chasing down animals with legs blown off by guys who can't shoot....the percentage of which increases with those who carry hard kickers. Pre-screening of clients helps to minimize these situations. During this time we're trying to get to know the potential client on other issues, too, such as being on the same page about trophy expectations. We'll make our side of things known, and if a potential client doesn't see things the same and takes their money elsewhere, so be it. There are more important things in the world than maximized profits. Funny about feeling the need for a big gun in bear country. I'll be hunting brushy bear filled country in a couple weeks with a 223, 6mm, or 6.5. If a black bear pops out that needs shot, he'll die just the same as with a bigger gun. But as Jordan noted, we're talking about caribou hunting, and it's generally done in open terrain anyway.
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I don't expect you'd be needing to weed me out. When I go hunting in the West I carry along a 270 Winchester which to me is the Western hunting cartridge.
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My closest encounter (9 feet) with a charging griz(sow) came just about a year ago while caribou hunting. She wasn't all that serious I guess. My .30-06 was in the boat- 20 yards away. A .22 LR or a .416 would have been equally effective. There's a lesson in there somewhere. When I figure it out, I'll let you know. Bearanoia is way over-rated, but not to be dismissed outright.
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Headstamps and rifles don't very often kill things. Bullets do, though. All you "Get a Magnum" guys ever have wives or children that you goaded with that same horseshit, or were the size of your testicles sufficient in those times to simply hand them the rifle that would be honestly enough? I promise: EVERYONE shoots small cartridges better in sporting-weight rifles. The "magnum" thing means nothing. For example, a .458 Lott shoots big testicles, but does not have a "magnum" on the head-stamp. Yes, the OP can use any of the numerous small cartridges to hunt caribou, because these animals aren't very large (from 300-400 pounds, which leaves about 100 pounds of meat). All kinds of small cartridges have been used for decades to kill caribou in Alaska. But it's true that there is a good chance to have bears (black and grizzly) where the caribou are. By the way, the caribou hunting season in the Interior of Alaska has been quite nice. Lots of people got their caribou. For some reason I don't like to hunt nor eat caribou meat, but love moose meat. The moose season starts in a little over a week from now. Ray, "magnum" is a category label, not a name. Since you mention the Lott, it is a step UP from a named Magnum. So if you can't figure out what category it's in, you shouldn't be carrying one. And no one needs a damn magnum to chase away the dreaded bears that are rarely seen, either. I understand all of that, and agree with you. In reality the word "magnum" means big, or large, extra large, and so on, and has been used as a noun too. What I was trying to say is that there are a lot of cartridges that also are extra large, and don't have the word "magnum" on the head stamp. But in Alaska it's very common to see bears when caribou hunting.
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My 35 Whelen is back from JES. I'm hitting the range today but now I'm worried I won't be able to get it sighted in. Since somebody who doesn't know me from Adam has pegged me as a recoil wimp. Maybe I'll just steer clear of Montana with it? Yeah - and WITH your $$$$ too. Jerry Mike, if I had a business that benefitted from non residents I’d be careful about criticizing or insulting them. References both/either help or hurt. Jerry I agree Jerry. Not everybody is focused on the big picture though. As far as big guns go, it is not a macho thing it is a need. We have concurrent Bear season along with deer season. When I'm hunting deer I'm usually more interested in trying to find a bear. The places you find bear around here, well the encounters are usually better measured in feet than in yards. If I am ever fortunate enough to run into one of our 400-800 pound Bruins at rock throwing distance here, then I'll feel much better with a 45-70 or a 35 Whelen over a 243 or a Creedmoor. Western hunters just don't understand the situation here. They try to insert their conditions into ours and the two are not relatable. LOL. The big picture isn't getting money from any dude who wants to come hunt. The big picture is keeping ourselves sane, having fun, and protecting the animals we hunt from undo hardship, along with the mission of giving our clients a good hunt. Those tasks all becomes a lot more difficult for everyone involved when we're chasing down animals with legs blown off by guys who can't shoot....the percentage of which increases with those who carry hard kickers. Pre-screening of clients helps to minimize these situations. During this time we're trying to get to know the potential client on other issues, too, such as being on the same page about trophy expectations. We'll make our side of things known, and if a potential client doesn't see things the same and takes their money elsewhere, so be it. There are more important things in the world than maximized profits. Funny about feeling the need for a big gun in bear country. I'll be hunting brushy bear filled country in a couple weeks with a 223, 6mm, or 6.5. If a black bear pops out that needs shot, he'll die just the same as with a bigger gun. But as Jordan noted, we're talking about caribou hunting, and it's generally done in open terrain anyway. prairie_goat, I don't know about Canada, but in the interior of Alaska the caribou migration routes are through different types of terrain (open country with low growth, forested areas, mountain passes, along creek beds, and so on). It's a lot easier to spot a caribou in the open, as it's easier for them to avoid predators in the open grounds, but they are also found where grizzly and black bears, wolves, moose, and other animals roam. Bears and wolves pray on caribou. In here hunters use small and big guns, usually "all around" cartridges from the .270 to the .375, with the largest concentration on .30 and .33-caliber rifles. However, caribou are not difficult to kill with relatively small gun calibers, and some hunters up here use these, too. That said, if using a 6.5 gun and worry about bears, keep in mind that some of the 6.5-caliber bullets have great SD, and can be used for moose-size animals.
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I'd much rather have a smaller caliber rifle with good bullets if facing down a big bear. That's just me, I suppose. I can shoot a small cal better and faster and more accurately. I've proven it to myself repeatedly, both in the field and at the range. And a bear shot right is going down no matter what it is shot with, while a bear not shot right is going to hurt someone before it goes down, no matter what it is shot with. I suppose that was cemented for me when I read about Phil putting down that bear with a pocket 9mm.
Hunting bears is an entirely different proposition than SD against bears. A gun that appropriately puts a bullet through the ribs of a big bear during a hunt may be a bit harder to handle if that bear is charging me. So I don't see where burning a lot of powder really gains me anything. Seems like keeping a cool head and shooting straight wins 10/10, caliber and ft/lbs nearly irrelevant. I'd rather have a 223 with the right bullets than a 375 with the right bullets, in that case. Seems like a small caliber, moderately powered cartridge would be quite effective for both bears and 'bou. Again, that's just me. I suppose if a guy carries and shoots a 375 with the same carefree ease that he shoots a 223, it likely isn't a hamper for him to carry the 375.
I do begin to wonder how many guys are compensating though.
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I've killed 2 nice Barren Ground Caribou from drop camps near the Mulchatna River in Alaska.
One with a 7 Mag (160 grain Partition) and one with a 6MM-06 (100 grain Partition). If I were going again I'd use the 7 Mag.
They both worked fine but there WERE Griz in the area and my buddy's .340 seemed to make a lot of sense.
Also, there were lots of opportunities to take a long poke at nice bulls.
Enjoy your trip -- seeing 1000s of animals was a real experience.
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Well I placed a deposit on a Drop hunt for next year for Caribou a DIY hunt and yes I will be taking my Magmun why Its what I have hunted the West with since the early 1980's a .264 Win Mag not so much for the caliber but because It's my only all weather rifle as it has a Model 70 .264 Win Mag I had Cerkote put on metal HS Precision stock, Leupold 4.5x14 40mm CDS in dual dovetail mounts with Burris Signature Rings with a 10 MOA insert installed.
With it I have taken nemouris Antelope and Mule Deer with my longest shot just over 500 yards. Do I need a Magmun No as I use to have a .270 Win and I never have had a chance I would not of used it on the same shot opportunity and that goes for my 6mm Rem 700 BDL as well.
I will be Reloading Noslers 130gr AB bullets for the trip to Alaska. For the past 30 plus years I used Noslers 120gr BT on Deer and Antelope, but since Caribou are little bigger so I will use a little tougher and heavier bullet.
The older I get the less I see the need for a Magmun but it's what I have and I am going to use what I am use to.
Sometimes it's not the caliber but the miles I have carried it and grown accustomed too.
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S A L U T E’ there 1100.
I enjoyed your post and understand and agree with your reasoning.
I’ve been hunting deer 45 yrs, this is my 46th season. I would rather be OVER gunned than under especially in bear territory.
I was interested in the 264 WM but the “Gun Writers” of the 70s 80s talked about its appetite for barrel throats. I never got one
instead went 7 RM.
When you’ve hunted a rifle many years it becomes 2nd nature to you and more of an old companion.
Wishing you safety, success, & a Great Hunt.
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I don't like 7 Mags. They don't do anything an '06 can't do, especially at reasonable range, and a 300 Mag does it better. You can't buy my .338WM Ruger Tang, either. I know where my prejudice (it is that!) comes from, mostly. I was given a NIB Mossberg 7Mag once. It had a poor stock design for me and kicked like hell!!! from a standing off-hand position, the most recoil absorbing position there is. I put 10 rounds through it and sold it. It had far more felt recoil than my .308 Norma mag, but then it was about a pound lighter. It did keep every shot on a paper plate at 200 yards, standing, off-hand. Lucky scope mounting too! When gunsmithing, I had the opportunity to test fire quite a few more after working on them, different brands, etc. Never liked any of them but one. That was a Husquevarna. 3 shot cloverleafs at 100, and recoil seemed mild. Stock must have fit me well. It was fairly lightweight too - more so than most. Bastard wouldn't sell it tho...... I tried. I am not THAT prejudiced! To me, the 7 Mag and .340 Wby Mag fall into the same category - too much recoil, powder, and hype for what one actually gets out of them. YMMV.
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The only problem I have with the 7mm Rem Mag is that the 270 keeps up with it and that with less recoil and blast. And if you shoot factory ammo and have a chrono you quickly realize the 270 keeps up with it with the same bullet weights.
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Mike
I've had lots of 270s and 7 RMs AND an Oehler 33 since 1981..
270s don't keep up with the 7 mags. Newer powders help BOTH the 270 & 7 mags.
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Jerry, try factory ammo. Winchester 270 150 grains will be within 50 fps of Remington 150 grain 7mm RM's.
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FACTORY.... & ..... Remington says a lot.
I have chrono records of 7 RM 160 NP & 162 HBTSP at OVER 3150 fps. 270 Wins can't keep up.
Last factory ammo I bought was 2007 -- 270s for brass -- . 2008 --- 300 WM for brass.
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But Jerry, my post clearly mentioned factory ammo.
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Mike, I know that's why I said ,,,, Factory. NO harm No foul.
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I don't like 7 Mags. They don't do anything an '06 can't do, especially at reasonable range, and a 300 Mag does it better. You can't buy my .338WM Ruger Tang, either.
I know where my prejudice (it is that!) comes from, mostly. I was given a NIB Mossberg 7Mag once. It had a poor stock design for me and kicked like hell!!! Well, we will just have to have different opinions as to the 7 RM. Secondly, You CAN'T run fast enuff to GIVE me the 338 WM TANGER ! BTDT, never again.
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I'd run away from a 338 WM Tanger faster than that Usain Bolt dude myself! You'd never catch up to me with that schidt.
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Just returned from AK hunting in DC590. Caribou were very hard to locate but the weather was spectacular - with views of McKinley 8/10 days. On the last morning, spotted an average caribou and made a 1.5 mile stalk.
Settled the score at 275 yds with a Tikka 6.5 CM and one 143 ELD-X. Recovered weight is 107 grains. That tundra country is spectacular is its fall plumage! Obviously there are many calibers to choose from on this topic, but I wanted to do it with the CM. Next up is a solo bull hunt in New Mexico.
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CONGRATS there whoop.
Sounds like BEE utiful country.
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Awesome! No surprise that the 6.5 Creed did the job.
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Well I placed a deposit on a Drop hunt for next year for Caribou a DIY hunt and yes I will be taking my Magmun why Its what I have hunted the West with since the early 1980's a .264 Win Mag not so much for the caliber but because It's my only all weather rifle as it has a Model 70 .264 Win Mag I had Cerkote put on metal HS Precision stock, Leupold 4.5x14 40mm CDS in dual dovetail mounts with Burris Signature Rings with a 10 MOA insert installed.
With it I have taken nemouris Antelope and Mule Deer with my longest shot just over 500 yards. Do I need a Magmun No as I use to have a .270 Win and I never have had a chance I would not of used it on the same shot opportunity and that goes for my 6mm Rem 700 BDL as well.
I will be Reloading Noslers 130gr AB bullets for the trip to Alaska. For the past 30 plus years I used Noslers 120gr BT on Deer and Antelope, but since Caribou are little bigger so I will use a little tougher and heavier bullet.
The older I get the less I see the need for a Magmun but it's what I have and I am going to use what I am use to.
Sometimes it's not the caliber but the miles I have carried it and grown accustomed too.
Well it worked 290 yards double lung shot and folded in its tracks.
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Haven't gone thru all the replies, but having taken in excess of 75 caribou over the ast 45 years, with a variety of cartridges/loads, I'd say anything .260 and above is fine. Never warmed to the .243, tho I've owned one all those years- or most of them. Good cartridge to 300 for medium big game, using 100 gr. bullets. Taken several sheep to 200, and a moose at 70 - just never liked it much.
I have found my .260 with 140 gr bullets (the only kind it likes) to be perfectly adequate out to the near 400 yards I've killed wth it (including an elk at 150 or so)
.270... for gay... worked good.
30-06 worked good.
.25-06 with 120 gr bullets was excellent to over 500 yards!
Even the .338WM with 250 gr bullets worked well at 300 yards..
The key is to know your trajectory, and know the range.
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Big barren ground caribou bulls are only about the size of average cow elk. They're easy to kill.
I am assuming by 143 bullets, you're referring to an ELDX right?
Your choice is just fine. That's not true on size IMO - but then I've only taken 1 cow elk ( might not have been "average" ) and 75 plus caribou. Yes, they are easy to kill. All of them, with proper placement. The North Slope bull caribou I have killed are about the size of the CO cow elk I killed- likely a bit bigger. Those farther south are considerably larger, including the two modest sized bulls my wife and I killed north of Fairbanks a month ago. The caribou bulls I have killed here on the Kenai Peninsula put a (well, my) cow elk in the dust. Better feed, milder climate, and they ain't migrating 1,000 miles a year.
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I don’t care for anything magnum for a hunting rifle.
Unless you plan shooting more than 600 yards.
I’ll take my 270, or 06 and be good to 500 +
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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The one I shot two days ago hated the 195gr Interlock ping pong ball that I lobbed at it, even at the pedestrian speeds my 8mm mauser generates. In fairness I think a .22mag would have worked at the super long range of about 75yds. Caribou always seem to die pretty easily if you hit them right.
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I don’t care for anything magnum for a hunting rifle.
Unless you plan shooting more than 600 yards.
I’ll take my 270, or 06 and be good to 500 + Yup.
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Caribou always seem to die pretty easily if you hit them right. The one (only one) I shot in the Yukon stood there much like a moose would after the lung shot. Is that common for caribou to just stand around?
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Caribou always seem to die pretty easily if you hit them right. The one (only one) I shot in the Yukon stood there much like a moose would after the lung shot. Is that common for caribou to just stand around? Every one I’ve seen shot has done just that. The one I shot on Friday just looked at me, took a couple of steps forward, then flopped over. They’re odd critters too. They’ll take off at the sight of you from 500yds, but you shoot one in a group sometimes and they’ll all stand around looking at ole poor Fred with a hole in his side. After I shot mine the other 15 or so started walking back to the dead one. I could have shot half a dozen of them I think before they cared. Haha!
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I can't help but observe that Sarah Palin aka Caribou Barbie thwocked hers with a .270. But my favorite is Agnes Hailstone apparently annually thwocking hers with an iron sighted M-39 Finn 7.62x53R at what appeared to be in vicinity of 250 yards. Running. Even allowing for a little editorial editing, looks like the tool ain't as important as the mechanic, eh?
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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My Uncle Larry toppled several woodland caribou with his 35 Remington levergun while hunting within Newfoundland. I'm no expert either but I downed two caribou in Saskatchewan with my .308 carbine and they were downed quickly. My impression is that although larger than a big muley, they're no tougher to kill. The local Cree natives hunt caribou with .243 rifles.
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I have never been fond of the .243, and I've owned one for about 40 years now. I took my first couple sheep with it, but then pretty much anything works inside 100 yards. It did smack them both down right there (20 yards, 100 yards), which has not been the case with it on caribou. The .25-06 with 120's and the .270 with 130s have all been bang/flops, every single one of about 30, except one.
I like my .260 much better than .243, and it does great on caribou (including the last two.). Doesn't bang flop them every time, but they don't go far - as said, they either stand there a bit, or run around in circles or back and forth before tipping over.
.243, .260, .25-06, 30-06, .270, and .338WM all work about the same, from my caribou shooting experience, but the two mentioned above have given me more bang flops.
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