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Charlie, yeah it's a positive move for the Govt. to say AO is a carcinogen and a predictor of cancer.

They discuss "linkage" but don't think they've admitted that AO is the cause of all those bladder cancers they're diagnosing. Neither Montsanto nor the govt. have an incentive to progress association to causation.

Sorry to hear about all the cancer your family has suffered. That's tough business.

GM with breast cancer and in all three daughters sounds more like Familial Breast Cancer. That's a chromosomal thing and I would hope they've had that tested. They need to know for the next generation. I know young women to have bilateral simple mastectomies because of the risk. That may be different than chemical exposure.

DF

There are hundreds of herbicides out there. Glyphosate is the most benign of the bunch.

If we are not using Round-up, then we would be using one or several of the less efficacious and far more hazardous chemicals on the same field.

Check out the LD-50 on the products. 2-4D is much more dangerous than Roundup. I would much rather Roundup be applied to my food, or in the field beside my house than any of the alternatives.

Also there is no comparison between toxicity of herbicides, insecticides, and rodenticides.
Herbicides are designed to interfere with the biochemistry of plant life, very little of which is shared with humans.
Insecticides interfere with the life processes of insects, some of which we, as animals do share.
Rodenticides are designed to kill mammals, a family of which humans are a member.

Its too early to tell exactly what all the unwanted consequences of Roundup are, its too early to tell exactly what all the consequences of genetically altered seed is. One thing that is known you cant rely on the truth about anything from Monsanto. Roundup is everywhere, in and on everything, and its ever increasingly in the human body. What exactly it contains is unknown with nearly 40% of its chemical make up considered a trade secret and not disclosed. Generally considered to be safe when used as directed... it has become so overused that it is suspected to be causing many ailments... including ADHD, Alzheimer's, and cancers. Its suspected to be the cause of a buildup of heavy metals in the human body. Hell, having to genetically engineer food crop seed just so you can use the product should be enough to be wary.


Phil

And you got your bio-chem degree from what university? Suspected? By who? Overused? By what standards?

You think big agri business is killing people? See how many starve, and how many wars start when you take away the tools they use to feed the world's growing population.

Malthus is a bitch, and he is waiting in the wings.

If we stop using the more effective ag chemicals will we all be healthier?
Will we still feed the world?

Asbestos is a known health hazard. If we hadn’t used it, would we ever have been more than a backwater nation?
I firmly believe that asbestos has done far more good than harm. Albeit things might have been done better in many ways.

And yes, I’ve known some who perished from mesothelioma. Many more who deal with asbestosis. May be headed there myself.

The better part of a lifetime spent in steel mills and power houses resulted in a lot of exposure. I even remember playing with broken asbestos pipe insulation in school. We used to throw it at each other standing in line for lunch.

Still grateful for the opportunities that my education and employment afforded me...

Bio-Chem Engineer no, fully licensed hazmat first response member for nearly 2 decades yes... can also read SDS's and chemical response guidebooks, maybe you ought to try.


Phil

Without asbestos, everyone East of the Rockies would be speaking German, while those West of the Rockies would be speaking Japanese.

Everything in life requires a consideration of risk vs benefit. If I get in the car and go to work tomorrow, some drunk could cross the center line and kill me. But the reward is I get a paycheck, and am one day closer to pension. I guess the risk is worth the reward. Be careful and manage the risk as well as one is able.

Farmers use Roundup to increase their yields, and profits. It works or they would not be using it. And it is far safer than the other tools they might be using to accomplish the same goals.

Is there any risk involved in the use of Roundup? So far, there is zero credible evidence. Might there be unproven risks? Possibly. But that risk is less than the risk of being killed by the tractor he uses every day. The risk is less than a logger getting hit by a falling tree, or a miner getting trapped by a cave in.

Farming is one of the top three most dangerous professions in America, if not #1. But it ain't Roundup making it so.

As to the risk/reward to society in general from residual toxicity in our food or environment caused by Roundup?

Let's say, just for arguments sake, (not that I suspect it is true) that Glyphosate contributes to ten cases of cancer per year in people over the age of 75. Or even 100 cases per year. Sure, that sucks ass, if you are one of those cases.

But in the grand scheme of things, how does that compare to the millions who have been fed and lived to reach the age of 70 by this technology? To the millions of children who have been properly nourished and whose brains and bodies have been allowed to develop to their full potential?

Liberals love to hate Roundup, because it is linked to a large corporate entity with world wide holdings, and such entities stand in the way of global socialism. If Glyphosate were owned and produced in a .gov lab and all profits funneled into the DNC, it would be widely proclaimed by most media outlets as the ultimate salvation of mankind.

Then enlighten us on the terrible hazards enumerated on the MSDS for Roundup.

More hazardous than gasoline? I think not! Used motor oil? Drano? Carb Cleaner? Brake Cleaner? How about automobile exhaust? Chlorine Bleach? Ammonia? Wasp and hornet spray? Mosquito repellent?

I carried a Commercial Pesticide Applicator's licensee for sixteen years, and sat through 16 to 20 hours of class time every year. I might be a bit familiar with an MSDS and a pesticide label.

All I'm saying is that its too early to say what the long term effects of its use are... its only been around since the mid 70's and wasn't really heavily used until after the late 90's. Its main ingredients that have been disclosed while considered safe when used as directed has been shown to build up in the human body over time (it accumulates over time). Its wetting agents (surfactants) about 13.8% if I remember right are not listed, again while most are considered safe... others are not! Then you have the other (39.3% I think) that is just plain not disclosed and never will be unless law changes, I suspect that this may be where the heavy metals might come in.


What ever, its worth being cautious and giving serious thought when using, personally I'd be more worried about the genetically altered food grown with it, but the two go hand in hand.




Phil

I'd venture to say that somewhere between 80 to 90% of the American people have no idea what is involved in the production of their food. We Americans spend less of our income on food than any other country in the world.......thanks to the productivity of the American farmer. The American farmer can produce what he does, at less cost, because of such chemicals as Roundup.

Can Roundup (glysophate) cause cancer? It might in some people, I honestly don't know. According to scientific studies, there isn't much that doesn't cause cancer, or some related form of disease. I've used farm chemicals for years, and so far, no problems with them. I've known many farmers who have died, some young, with cancer, but have never heard anything about it being caused by agricultural chemicals. I think the benefits of Roundup far outweigh the risks.

I like puzzy, but I'll never forget what an old man told me many years ago.........he said that as good as it was, the graveyards were full of men who had died because of it, and he went on to tell me about a number of men who had either gotten killed because of a woman, or who had died young trying to please one. The way I see it, anything can kill you, even something good, so why spend your life worrying about dying.

People use to say the same about DDT and Lead in paints among many others... have done a lot of work in refinery's, chemical plants, and even nuclear plants, some of that [bleep] is just down right scary. You do what you have to do to survive and hope you don't wind up hurting someone. Problem is most things aren't really well understood at first and can take many years to fully understand.



Phil

It's a kinda salt ......so I'm out !

It would be an unmitigated disaster to lose glyphosate as a vegetation controller. Period. I've used the stuff for years (my stepdad was in ag-chem) carefully but generously, took precautions and there's no way I'd come screaming back to Monsanto.
Idiot client
Idiot lawyers
Idiot jury

Is your wife aware of all the organic pesticides that are being used to grow that nice looking organic food? Many of the Organic approved pesticides are very dangerous. Organic does not mean that chemicals were not used to produce it.

Where did you hear that glyphosate accumulates in the body? It is a water soluble salt so it is excreted in the urine almost as fast as it goes in. Testing with dogs showed that 99% was gone within a week with no detection possible after 2 weeks. The big issue with getting rid of Roundup in my mind is what farmers will go back to if they can't use it anymore. Corn farmers will go back to atrazine which is a known carcinogen and at least 400X more acutely toxic than Roundup. I guess the idea of making a buck against a multinational corporation outweighs the fact that farmers will use every tool available to them. If Roundup isn't available, they will switch. And we may not be happy with what they switch to.

NoCAL

Asbestos was necessary until materials technology advanced to the point where there were safe replacements. What have ya got to replace Roundup? Messicans with hoes?

Pretty obvious Roundup poses no more than a minimal risk or farmers would be dropping like flies. The stuff has been in use since 1974,

(Glyphosate does not accumulate in the body.

"Glyphosate is poorly absorbed from the digestive tract and is largely excreted unchanged by mammals. Ten days after treatment there were only minute amounts in the tissues of rats fed glyphosate for three weeks" Link )

It takes a lot of guinae pigs and a lot of time to work these things out.

So, in a way, we are the guinae pigs and the clock is running...

DF

What is the source of this information? I would say that 50% or more of Glyphosate being applied is not produced by Montsanto. There are many manufactures around the world producing glyphosate. Hence, how can the chemical make up be a secret?

One of the virtues of Glyphosate is that breaks down quickly in the soil.

FYI. Some plants will produce a false positive for glyphosate West coast hay exporters went through a ban on their alfalfa exports because the product was testing positive. It was discovered that testing at parts per billion, the natural occurring glyphosate in the plant was giving the false positive.

Idiot jury, yes.
Idiot client, maybe.
Idiot lawyers, not a chance. They saw a way to make megamillions and they grabbed it.