Gunner had 200 ft. lbs for the black powder load 8 boar and 100 for the nitro load in the 577. I think the Blk powder load was close to the same velocity so probably not a huge difference in recoil. 1800 vs 2000 fps?
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On the left is a 400 grain Speer. On the right is a 500 grain Hornady DGX.
Shot some loads Sunday evening with IMR 4064 and the Speer 400 grain bullet. Going to go out and try the best shooting one soon. It is 101.0 grains of IMR 4064 and a CCI 250 mag primer. Average velocity for 3 shots was 2497 fps.
That 400gn Speer will not hold up to velocities much over 2000 FPS as the jacket is paper thin and the bullets sometimes disappear in a blue mist before reaching the 100 yard targets. I tried it with the following: 400gn Speer FP 40gn Blue Dot 1720fps 2628FPE Fed 215 Primer 57gn 2400 2080fps 3844FPE Fed 215 Primer 58gn 2400 2120fps 3993FPE Fed 215 Primer 100gn IMR 4064 2500fps 5553FPE 110gn IMR 4064 2750fps 6719FPE
The 400gn Remington is a more stout bullet for lighter plinking and feral control in the .460.
John
John,I am using 101.0 grains of IMR 4064 and a CCI 250 Mag primer. In my .460 that load is averaging 2500 fps.
Here is what it does to a jackrabbit at around 70 yards.
In this picture,the rabbit was on the left side of the pic. The dark spot is where it was found.
John,do you think the Remington bullet is stout enough for deer or even elk?
Ken, I would use the Remington version at not much more than 2000fps for deer and rib case shots only. other wise meat loss will be a certainty. Remember the bullet, both Speer and Remington, were not made for the .460 velocity capabilities, in fact neither were some bullet commonly used .458 caliber bullets loaded in the .458 Winchester. The .460 is a big lift for the caliber and most of the negative commentary made on the .460 is by unqualified people. There is some utter drivel in print about this wonderful and versatile cartridge which can be loaded to your own personal tolerance. John
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Swift makes a 400 grain A-Frame which will hold up to the higher velocities. I will use the Speer just for rabbits and such and use the SAF for hunting big game.
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Ken, The Swift will be terrific. 116gn of 4064 or Varget will get you over 2900fps and I used to standardize on 110gn for 2750ps when the old 400gn Barnes X was around as that 2750fps was very accurate and replicated the .30/06 trajectory.
I also tried the 500gn Swift A-Frame and it too was extremely accurate, loaded over 122gn of IMR 4350 for 2660fps and shoots into the same groups as the cheaper 500gn Hornady. I grain more chronographed at 2678 which is pushing the 8000FPE the cartridge was rated at. Corrected to muzzle velocity would be there, as I only quote the 15 ft chronograph distance from the muzzle with my loads.
John
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DF, The .460 is an adventure. It can be loaded to your own tolerance, has a factory extended magazine these days, can be loaded from the bottom during stressful stalks with one still in the breech, aligns with the .30/06 for trajectory and remove the will to live on everything it is pointed at. On top of that, it is incredibly accurate. MOA is very ho-hum to a .460 Weatherby. My 5 shot groups have been as low as .6" at 100 yards in my prime. John
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
DF, The .460 is an adventure. It can be loaded to your own tolerance, has a factory extended magazine these days, can be loaded from the bottom during stressful stalks with one still in the breech, aligns with the .30/06 for trajectory and remove the will to live on everything it is pointed at. On top of that, it is incredibly accurate. MOA is very ho-hum to a .460 Weatherby. My 5 shot groups have been as low as .6" at 100 yards in my prime. John
DF, The .460 is an adventure. It can be loaded to your own tolerance, has a factory extended magazine these days, can be loaded from the bottom during stressful stalks with one still in the breech, aligns with the .30/06 for trajectory and remove the will to live on everything it is pointed at. On top of that, it is incredibly accurate. MOA is very ho-hum to a .460 Weatherby. My 5 shot groups have been as low as .6" at 100 yards in my prime. John
Bet you shooting off a standing bench...
DF
No. The truth is, I have never seen a stand up bench before. John
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
DF, The .460 is an adventure. It can be loaded to your own tolerance, has a factory extended magazine these days, can be loaded from the bottom during stressful stalks with one still in the breech, aligns with the .30/06 for trajectory and remove the will to live on everything it is pointed at. On top of that, it is incredibly accurate. MOA is very ho-hum to a .460 Weatherby. My 5 shot groups have been as low as .6" at 100 yards in my prime. John
Bet you shooting off a standing bench...
DF
No. The truth is, I have never seen a stand up bench before. John
Elmer Keith was a proponent of the standing bench for big guns. There are photos in his books.
The way Elk's bench is set up, seems he's more in an upright position relative to the butt stock, not too unlike a standing bench.
Benches where the shooter is crunched down, leaning way forward, isn't a good big boomer stance.
I got a set of long legs for my bench, just never set it up.