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Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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Look a few posts above this one and you will see an answer, sort of, to your question.
I’m still waiting for a Trumpkin to address it.
How about YOU trying?
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It could be that politics is generally a public matter. It could be misdirection, it does seem to be effective at sending the media their latest soundbite to whine about. None of the big media outlets is on his side so the tweets do allow him to reach a bunch of people easily.
He doesn't seem to have any problem firing people when they don't meet expectations so I'm inclined to believe misdirection.
Somewhere there is an old video where he says that if he is attacked he will always hit back. Personally I think Obama ragging on him at that dinner was one of the big drivers for him g to running for president.
Bottom line is that he has been a fairly effective president IMO.
Personally I think his public/political style is much different than his personal style. As an example I haven't heard of anybody who worked for him in a civilian capacity griping about his managerial style.
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Since your reading comprehension is on par with your people skills, I’ll make this as simple as possible...
1. The Constitution does NOT protect the POTUS from being investigated.
2. IF wrongdoing on the part of the POTUS is found as a result of an investigation, the proof is given to Congress and they determine if impeachment proceedings should be initiated. If the D team gets control of the House, you can bet Trump will be impeached, no matter what Mueller finds. The R Senate will not convict.
3. It was the threat of impeachment, and conviction, FOR OBSTRUCTION, that caused Nixon to resign.
What we are watching now is a dog and pony show which is not likely to result in impeachment, but the script for the show was written by Nixon and Bill Clinton.
You would like to be viewed as knowledgeable by members of this forum but your arrogance branded you as a Lightweight as soon as you joined. I'll wait for you to refute anything I said. Good thing I'm patient. I enjoy your rants about people here rushing to Trump's defense anytime he's criticized. Hilarious. Keep it up.
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Ralph, Why don’t you address the point I made about Trump opening himself up to Obstruction charges by linking Comey’s firing to the Russian investigation?
The lack of legitimacy of the FISA application has nothing to do with Obstruction. The claim he made to Lester Holt and his constant whining about Sessions on Twitter is what’s fueling the Obstruction investigation. Forget Conspiracy..... that ain’t going nowhere. I think you might want to refresh yourself on the definition of obstruction of justice. And while you're at it, Article II. And maybe just the whole constitution while you're googling. Because Trump will be removed from office, on January 20th 2025. You know, the whole 22nd amendment thing. I'm sorry your life is going to suck for the next 6.5 years but that's of your own making. The president cannot obstruct justice by firing the head of the FBI, even if he says he's firing the FBI director for investigating the president. Still has not risen to the level of obstruction of justice, and is a protected action under Article II. Especially when the #2 at the DOJ recommends firing the FBI director. Since you're so smart, I bet you can truthfully tell me that when Comey was fired the muh Russia investigation got squashed because Trump said to end it, right? Wrong. It didn't so you can't. Not even scratching the bottom of the level of obstruction of justice. Constitutionally. Protected. Action. You don't even have any straws to grasp at. but, if you send me your address, I'll send you some. And a therapy animal. For your safe space. 'Because Trump will be removed from office, on January 20th 2025' You are so adorable when you're retarded. The way you do retard is special. You should stick to muh Russians. That has a much better chance for you to get Trump than Monafort committing crimes during his time as a democrat operative years before he was ever involved with Trump. Maybe this Friday you'll be right about something and Hell will freeze over giving Satan a chance to do snow sleigh tours of the flying pig zoo.
It's about like this:
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Ralph, Why don’t you address the point I made about Trump opening himself up to Obstruction charges by linking Comey’s firing to the Russian investigation?
The lack of legitimacy of the FISA application has nothing to do with Obstruction. The claim he made to Lester Holt and his constant whining about Sessions on Twitter is what’s fueling the Obstruction investigation. Forget Conspiracy..... that ain’t going nowhere. I think you might want to refresh yourself on the definition of obstruction of justice. And while you're at it, Article II. And maybe just the whole constitution while you're googling. Because Trump will be removed from office, on January 20th 2025. You know, the whole 22nd amendment thing. I'm sorry your life is going to suck for the next 6.5 years but that's of your own making. The president cannot obstruct justice by firing the head of the FBI, even if he says he's firing the FBI director for investigating the president. Still has not risen to the level of obstruction of justice, and is a protected action under Article II. Especially when the #2 at the DOJ recommends firing the FBI director. Since you're so smart, I bet you can truthfully tell me that when Comey was fired the muh Russia investigation got squashed because Trump said to end it, right? Wrong. It didn't so you can't. Not even scratching the bottom of the level of obstruction of justice. Constitutionally. Protected. Action. You don't even have any straws to grasp at. but, if you send me your address, I'll send you some. And a therapy animal. For your safe space. 'Because Trump will be removed from office, on January 20th 2025' You are so adorable when you're retarded. The way you do retard is special. You should stick to muh Russians. That has a much better chance for you to get Trump than Monafort committing crimes during his time as a democrat operative years before he was ever involved with Trump. Maybe this Friday you'll be right about something and Hell will freeze over giving Satan a chance to do snow sleigh tours of the flying pig zoo. Aww, don't be butthurt, princess. Nobody can take away your sweet memories of Trump before Mueller destroyed him. Shh, just lie back and relax. It will all be over soon. And don't tell anyone. Nobody will believe you anyway.
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Just because a prosecutor gets a plea deal from a indictment does not mean there is any provable truth in any of it. Its like extorting someone for means and money to capitulate to what they want you to say or do. No decision of truth or verdict is given, since no jury trial was held on this second go around. Manafort could agree that the moon is made of cheese, doesn't make it so. Manafort making a plea for unregistered agent working in foreign country is a joke. Both Tony Podesta and John Podesta (Hillary,s campaign Manager) have both done the same as Manafort. No investigation of them though as they are Donkeys. Just remember that allowing crimes to go unpunished is a true break down of society. Once lawlessness begets lawlessness civil society is doomed. This is why the 2nd Amendment exits and believe me the communist socialist anarchists (hint on which party that is) are fully aware that U.S. households have approximately 130 million firearms available for use, that my friends is what keeps the communist socialist anarchists Dems up all night and why the constantly make plays for our firearms.
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Ralph, Why don’t you address the point I made about Trump opening himself up to Obstruction charges by linking Comey’s firing to the Russian investigation?
The lack of legitimacy of the FISA application has nothing to do with Obstruction. The claim he made to Lester Holt and his constant whining about Sessions on Twitter is what’s fueling the Obstruction investigation. Forget Conspiracy..... that ain’t going nowhere. Obstruction of JUSTICE??? For WHAT CRIME???? ETA: Because he fired Comey??? Laughin here...Comey was neck deep in the corruption and if YOU think he was wrong by firing Comey, you need to question your own mental health..... You forgot to add that The Dumbocrates were screaming loud and even louder for President Trump to For Comy. So when he did they flipped and now it is Obstruction.
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Obstruction for firing subordinates is a joke and as weak as it gets.The President under Article II has the power and authority to fire all these clowns. However what is most interesting is that Rod Rosenstein who agreed in the firing and processed the action is the same guy who signed on to FISA warrant submissions knowing that the whole thing is a phony made up investigation. Can't be obstruction if the DOJ agrees with the assessment of firing Comey. Its not like Rosenstein is a fan of the President either. In addition Obama new about Russian interference back in 2015, him and the pathetic Brennan did nothing, not a thing. Two of the most inept cowards on the planet. How is Russian interference a Trump problem? Its not and never was. We are being bamboozeled by our inner government and the media to destroy a man at all cost. It is despicable and now very transparent.
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Saul Alinsky’s 13 Rules for Radicals
Excerpted from Saul Alinsky’s book: Rules For Radicals, published in 1971.
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.“ Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.“ It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.“ Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.“ If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.“ There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.“ They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.“ Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.“ Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.“ Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10.“The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.“ Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.“ Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.“ Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Saul Alinsky’s 11 Rules on the Ethics of Means and Ends
Excerpted from Saul Alinsky’s book: Rules For Radicals, published in 1971.
1. One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue.
2. The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.
3. In war the ends justify almost any means.
4. Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.
5. Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.
6. The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.
7. Generally success or failure is a might determinant of ethics.
8. Morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.
9. Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.
10. You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.
11. Goals must be phrased in general terms like “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” “Of the Common Welfare,” “Pursuit of Happiness,” or “Bread and Peace.”
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Obstruction for firing Comey is just damn dumb. Does the FBI not have a [bleep] chain of command?
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Obstruction for firing Comey is just damn dumb. Does the FBI not have a [bleep] chain of command? Of course it does. Or did. You have to have a competent AG and DOJ first, though.
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Obstruction for firing subordinates is a joke and as weak as it gets.The President under Article II has the power and authority to fire all these clowns. However what is most interesting is that Rod Rosenstein who agreed in the firing and processed the action is the same guy who signed on to FISA warrant submissions knowing that the whole thing is a phony made up investigation. Can't be obstruction if the DOJ agrees with the assessment of firing Comey. Its not like Rosenstein is a fan of the President either. In addition Obama new about Russian interference back in 2015, him and the pathetic Brennan did nothing, not a thing. Two of the most inept cowards on the planet. How is Russian interference a Trump problem? Its not and never was. We are being bamboozeled by our inner government and the media to destroy a man at all cost. It is despicable and now very transparent. It’s only transparent to the folks willing to look at it with their eyes open. Kruger-Dunning syndrome prevents most liberals from seeing what’s actually happening.
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Saul Alinsky’s 13 Rules for Radicals
Excerpted from Saul Alinsky’s book: Rules For Radicals, published in 1971.
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.“ Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.“ It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.“ Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.“ If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.“ There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.“ They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.“ Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.“ Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.“ Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10.“The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.“ Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.“ Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.“ Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Saul Alinsky’s 11 Rules on the Ethics of Means and Ends
Excerpted from Saul Alinsky’s book: Rules For Radicals, published in 1971.
1. One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue.
2. The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.
3. In war the ends justify almost any means.
4. Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.
5. Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.
6. The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.
7. Generally success or failure is a might determinant of ethics.
8. Morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.
9. Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.
10. You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.
11. Goals must be phrased in general terms like “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” “Of the Common Welfare,” “Pursuit of Happiness,” or “Bread and Peace.”
you can say that again!
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Obstruction for firing subordinates is a joke and as weak as it gets.The President under Article II has the power and authority to fire all these clowns. However what is most interesting is that Rod Rosenstein who agreed in the firing and processed the action is the same guy who signed on to FISA warrant submissions knowing that the whole thing is a phony made up investigation. Can't be obstruction if the DOJ agrees with the assessment of firing Comey. Its not like Rosenstein is a fan of the President either. In addition Obama new about Russian interference back in 2015, him and the pathetic Brennan did nothing, not a thing. Two of the most inept cowards on the planet. How is Russian interference a Trump problem? Its not and never was. We are being bamboozeled by our inner government and the media to destroy a man at all cost. It is despicable and now very transparent. It’s only transparent to the folks willing to look at it with their eyes open. Kruger-Dunning syndrome prevents most #NeverTrumpers from seeing what’s actually happening. Fixt.
It's about like this:
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Aww, don't be butthurt, princess. Nobody can take away your sweet memories of Trump before Mueller destroyed him.
Shh, just lie back and relax. It will all be over soon. And don't tell anyone. Nobody will believe you anyway.
So Mueller already destroyed Trump? Did Trump get that message? What are you going to do when Pence runs in 2024? Only people worried about Trump getting removed from office are #NeverTrumpers. Oh, and Pence is VP. Remember that. He takes over if Trump is removed from office. You can't win. Not until 2020. And there's no commie that can beat Trump. You can call me a retard all week and twice on Sunday, but we both know I'm right and you're fugged until 2025- January 20th. Maybe, by then, the commies will pull their heads out of socialism's ass and run a moderate candidate that can win. Maybe.
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Aww, don't be butthurt, princess. Nobody can take away your sweet memories of Trump before Mueller destroyed him.
Shh, just lie back and relax. It will all be over soon. And don't tell anyone. Nobody will believe you anyway.
So Mueller already destroyed Trump? Did Trump get that message? What are you going to do when Pence runs in 2024? Only people worried about Trump getting removed from office are #NeverTrumpers. Oh, and Pence is VP. Remember that. He takes over if Trump is removed from office. You can't win. Not until 2020. And there's no commie that can beat Trump. You can call me a retard all week and twice on Sunday, but we both know I'm right and you're fugged until 2025- January 20th. Maybe, by then, the commies will pull their heads out of socialism's ass and run a moderate candidate that can win. Maybe. I have no problem with Pence. I have a problem with a POTUS who goes on stage in Helsinki with Putin's [bleep] on his chin and reveals to the world that he's owned by Russia. Trump couldn't even pretend he wasn't Putin's puppet. At least fake it for Christ's sake. Bring on Pence.
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Aww, don't be butthurt, princess. Nobody can take away your sweet memories of Trump before Mueller destroyed him.
Shh, just lie back and relax. It will all be over soon. And don't tell anyone. Nobody will believe you anyway.
So Mueller already destroyed Trump? Did Trump get that message? What are you going to do when Pence runs in 2024? Only people worried about Trump getting removed from office are #NeverTrumpers. Oh, and Pence is VP. Remember that. He takes over if Trump is removed from office. You can't win. Not until 2020. And there's no commie that can beat Trump. You can call me a retard all week and twice on Sunday, but we both know I'm right and you're fugged until 2025- January 20th. Maybe, by then, the commies will pull their heads out of socialism's ass and run a moderate candidate that can win. Maybe. I have no problem with Pence. I have a problem with a POTUS who goes on stage in Helsinki with Putin's [bleep] on his chin and reveals to the world that he's owned by Russia. Trump couldn't even pretend he wasn't Putin's puppet. At least fake it for Christ's sake. Bring on Pence. Disagree. Pence is a self righteous, sanctimonious far right ideologue who lied about not knowing that Flynn had talked to Kislyak: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/flynn-russia-sanctions.htmlHe's just as bad as Trump, maybe even worse, because he's not as stupid. He'll push a far right agenda even more than the Dumpster.
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It is phenomenal that so many otherwise clear thinking individuals go blind when a Trumps name is mentioned, but I keep posting. Maybe someday you'll get over it. Hatari posted correctly, that the sign of a troll is one that refuses to engage in discussion about the subject at hand. You throw down some BS you found on DU, then accuse everbody of bein a Trump suckup when they point out how stupid you are. You been asked questions, in this very thread. You ran like a pussy-hatted curdog from em. Can you respond intelligently to the questions, or will you continue to run?
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