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No experience there, but I once let a cackler hang for a day and a half....best tasting goose I ever ate...I doubt a elk would spoil that quick. Difference is a goose cools quickly, especially if you gut it & pull the feathers off. A dead elk covered in warm fur with only an arrow hole to let out the heat is going to spoil quickly. Plus an elk has 100x the body mass to hold heat.
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I never said that, and I have no idea what the full truth is at this time. As I thought that I stated in my original post, I'm willing to leave all of the jumping to conclusions to others who were no closer to the actual event than I was.
And I didn't say you had, just asked. The video I post has an interview with the client. He states that bear grabbed him while on his horse, threw him around a bit and then went after the guide. The client states that he threw the gun and ran for his life. So, assuming he ain't lying we know a few things.
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I never said that, and I have no idea what the full truth is at this time. As I thought that I stated in my original post, I'm willing to leave all of the jumping to conclusions to others who were no closer to the actual event than I was.
Your avatar pic looks a lot like Maser...in that case, I understand your feelings....hiding from gramps thing....
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No blame game here. And I have not read all the pages. But an observation.......
There is a definite downside to sticking an arrow in an Elk in the afternoon. Bone soured in the morning......plus a grizzly buffet!
Afternoon thermals can also be wish washy. if the elk was shot in the afternoon, and gotten to the next day.....it was more than likely spoiled.......at that point you need to assume, a bear will be on it.......lets wait and see what smokepole has to say....he should be able to google...spoiled elk, and grizzly bear....and get back to us.....bob The guide had to have known it was a 99.9% chance they would just find green meat. No experience there, but I once let a cackler hang for a day and a half....best tasting goose I ever ate... I doubt a elk would spoil that quick.This time of year in warm weather, you have to get them opened ASAP after a kill. You can't leave them overnight, especially one not field dressed.
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After watching that video, the hunter is a coward and someone needs to kick his sorry ass, he admits running away from his friend and guide to save his own sorry ass, I hope the nightmares haunt him for a long time !
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After watching that video, the hunter is a coward and someone needs to kick his sorry ass, he admits running away from his friend and guide to save his own sorry ass, I hope the nightmares haunt him for a long time ! I wouldn't co-pilot with him, that's for damn sure.
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I never said that, and I have no idea what the full truth is at this time. As I thought that I stated in my original post, I'm willing to leave all of the jumping to conclusions to others who were no closer to the actual event than I was.
Your avatar pic looks a lot like Maser...in that case, I understand your feelings....hiding from gramps thing.... LOL..!! Whatever makes your day. 
It's official. I missed the selfie deadline so I'm Maser's sock puppet because rene and the Polish half of the fubar twins have decided that I am.
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As for a personal weapon in bear country, a long barrel like a 7.5" one on a Super Blackhawk is not your best friend when things go bad. A much shorter barrel such as a 4 3/4" Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag or a 4" barreled Redhawk in 45 Colt will be a lot handier when things are quickly going sideways. You won't need a longer site radius at that point as it will probably be point and shoot range at best, and clearing a long barrel from a holster might not happen as quickly. Those words paraphrase what my guide told me in prepartation for the hunt. That was your guide's standard speech for all clients, especially geared towards city slickers, who think they are gun savvy. It does not apply to someone who has handled wheel guns their whole life, and is very proficient with them. You yourself went on to state you pulled out your gun when the bear was still at a distance. What makes you think a 3.5 inch longer barrel would matter when you have pulled out the gun, when the bear is 30-50 yards away?
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I never said that, and I have no idea what the full truth is at this time. As I thought that I stated in my original post, I'm willing to leave all of the jumping to conclusions to others who were no closer to the actual event than I was.
Your avatar pic looks a lot like Maser...in that case, I understand your feelings....hiding from gramps thing.... LOL..!! Whatever makes your day. Where's your binky and diapers???
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After watching that video, the hunter is a coward and someone needs to kick his sorry ass, he admits running away from his friend and guide to save his own sorry ass, I hope the nightmares haunt him for a long time ! Two grizzlies present, him no longer in possession of a weapon. I would like to think I would have the presence of mind, clear-headedness and enough disregard for my own life to go coolly looking for my thrown handgun to use on the bears even after I had just been bit, gouged on and pulled off of my horse by one of said enraged grizzlies. But until I pass that particular test I don't figure I'm qualified to be overly judgmental.
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After watching that video, the hunter is a coward and someone needs to kick his sorry ass, he admits running away from his friend and guide to save his own sorry ass, I hope the nightmares haunt him for a long time ! Two grizzlies present, him no longer in possession of a weapon. I would like to think I would have the presence of mind, clear-headedness and enough disregard for my own life to go coolly looking for my thrown handgun to use on the bears even after I had just been bit, gouged on and pulled off of my horse by one of said enraged grizzlies. But until I pass that particular test I don't figure I'm qualified to be overly judgmental. I'm sure the first thing I would do is throw the gun whilst said bear is chewing on my leg . He didn't look to injured to me. I've been more scratched up giving my cat a pill.
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Elkslayer, Old man Polesmoker has nothing else in his sad and argumentative existence except picking fights over parsed words. I generally ignore his stupidity because anything he gets involved with devolves into his little piss ant mini rants. He is known to be a pain in the ass by many that’s why he has to lash out in his interactions here otherwise he’d be ignored completely. Like the old saying about little kids goes it’s also pertinent to grumpy elderly men....negative attention is better than no attention at all.
Old man smokepole needs to tighten the Velcro on his tenny runners with orthopedic insoles and get ready to flee from danger, it’s lurking around every corner of his 1 bedroom 1/2 bath apartment. 😁 LOL, you're the one calling a guy you've never met a coward, over a situation you have no first hand knowledge of. Ok And Im the grumpy one. As far as being old, I'm 60 and i guarantee i could run your punk ass into the ground. And go ahead, cast your lot with old elkslayer there, a self-professed expert who got dogpiled for giving stupid advice and he's still feeling the sting. Thank you for coming back. My "stupid advice' proved you are too stupid to be able to understand how to aim a gun at different distances when the directions were placed at your feet. That makes you a complete idiot. I got "dogpiled" by your friends here, who clearly couldn't understand the same, a badge of honor I shall cherish for life.
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Its called being a man, secondly who throws a handgun, since you obviously have the presents of mind to have, said gun, in your hand , hence "handgun", your own wellbeing should never be your fist though, it should be what can I do to help ! The hunter is not a teenager, I won't call him a man either, I'll stick with coward and would never share a camp with such a self centered clown.
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The picture I posted with the little Bareta seems to fit the scenario pretty well.
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I'm sure the first thing I would do is throw the gun whilst said bear is chewing on my leg. Didn't seem like he was telling the truth about that part, maybe he inadvertently dropped it somewhere while making his escape. Still, until I myself pass the "buddy getting chewed on by a mad grizzly" test, ain't qualified to condemn.
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I'm sure the first thing I would do is throw the gun whilst said bear is chewing on my leg. Didn't seem like he was telling the truth about that part, maybe he inadvertently dropped it somewhere while making his escape. Still, until I myself pass the "buddy getting chewed on by a mad grizzly" test, ain't qualified to condemn. That's why some folks teach.
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If I hire a guide to take me elk hunting I expect my guide to get me on elk, not to protect me in every possible scenario...... Who said anything about the guide protecting the client in any possible scenario there ace? Sure as hell wasn't me. Personally, I wouldn't be too hard on the client. It's not his responsibility to keep the guide safe, it's the other way around. Yes, it sure the hell was you. No fakepole. The guide is not hired to be a bodyguard during a bear attack. The client is responsible for his own defense in a bear attack, just like a customer is responsible for their own defense / protection during a robbery in a store. If a guide accepts paying clients and hunts in an area with lots of grizzlies, he has a responsibility to understand how to operate in that environment and do what he can to keep his clients safe. Typical liberal thought pattern here, it’s the guide’s responsibility to “help/protect” me, even when fakepole is knowingly inserting himself into a dangerous situation, grizzly country. 100% from the book of how a liberal thinks. If that right there doesn’t show you people fakepole has no clue what he is talking about when hunting in the back country, you’re helpless. And if they drop an elk and leave it overnight, the likelihood of having to deal with bears goes way up. So that situation is hardly "every possible scenario," it's something a guide should reasonably expect. Again, let’s cop the liberal blame the guide. No fakepole, true back country hunters know in “any” country, not just grizzly country, you are putting your life in jeopardy once you hike in. The guide is not responsible for ”every possible scenario”, including and up to your life. So a guide in that situation has some responsibility to manage what happens, unlike a guy from Florida who may not have ever seen a grizzly much less been drug off a horse by one. More fakepole liberal thought here. The guide is hired to put you on the Elk and help extract the Elk, not protect you, the liberal, who wants others responsible for your safety, even in the back country. I'm not blaming the guide either, as already noted by everyone with half a functioning brain cell, none of us knows what happened. Just making the observation that a client's responsibilities are much different than a guide's, in response to the previous poster who blamed the client for what happened. When you, the liberal, state the guide is responsible for the client’s safety, as you just did more than once above, you “are” blaming the guide, Fakepole. You are such an ignorant [bleep]. Nowhere did I blame the guide. I see you're falling back to your standard liberal mode, keep telling the lie until it sticks. I even used your own words to prove it. I love rubbing liberal's, such as you, noses in their own fecal matter online. It is so easy, and I'm damn good at it too.
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The hunter is not a teenager, I won't call him a man either, I'll stick with coward and would never share a camp with such a self centered clown After this event, if the guy IS any sort of a man, he'd be high on my list for guys I'd want around me with a gun if I got jumped by a grizzly.
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That's why some folks teach. Ya nobody ever gets chewed on by grizzlies around here, so folks generally shoot at houses and stuff instead 
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We know one guy died and one guy ran, yes? Pretty sure thread rules for this topic don't allow such a short and factual summary of a 14 page tantrum. You could have at least made some reference to stupid, flat-lander, cork socking back east fools.
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