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34mm tubes are also stronger. I wasn't aware of NF 30 mm tubes failing. its marketing, a guy that owns an optics company told me that often times they put the exact same internals into the larger tube scopes, he has even seen 1" internals put into 34 mm tube scopes. ala burris XTR. people need to stop and look at what they are getting besides weight and bulk from a 34 mm tube. I contend its nothing. its adding at least 3 ounces, limiting mounting options and adding bulk needlessly. again this is for the bigger is better crowd. 20# PRS rifles etc. I am not seeing optics companies marketing strong scopes and more robust internals with 34mm, I would think if it is indeed either scope companies would tout it. You were the one who mentioned the PRS crowd and rifles. I just wanted to check what you said since your posts tend to be full of inaccurate information. đ
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I really like the NXS style for dusk/dawn but would like it to be daylight visible on the top end to help the thinner inner plex stand out against tangled backgrounds and brush. Looking forward to trying one and seeing how they did it.
According to specs it looks like the scope did gain a little weight (22.1 oz vs 20.8 oz) with the illumination even though it lost the parallax setting.
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34mm tubes are also stronger. I wasn't aware of NF 30 mm tubes failing. its marketing, a guy that owns an optics company told me that often times they put the exact same internals into the larger tube scopes, he has even seen 1" internals put into 34 mm tube scopes. ala burris XTR. people need to stop and look at what they are getting besides weight and bulk from a 34 mm tube. I contend its nothing. its adding at least 3 ounces, limiting mounting options and adding bulk needlessly. again this is for the bigger is better crowd. 20# PRS rifles etc. I am not seeing optics companies marketing strong scopes and more robust internals with 34mm, I would think if it is indeed either scope companies would tout it. You were the one who mentioned the PRS crowd and rifles. I just wanted to check what you said since your posts tend to be full of inaccurate information. đ Not to mention a company could build CC eeeeeerrrrrrr DD (Debbie Downer) the perfect optic to suit his taste, deliver it to his doorstep â along with a 6ft-truck-bed full of cash and he'd beotch because the money wasn't stacked and counted.
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too bad there isn't a 30mm tube ATACR model. the 34mm tube is for the guys running 22" low profile dub wheels on a lifted truck. simply no need for the larger tube. no more elevation adjustment than the NXS line just added size and bulk.
I 100% agree with this statement, but since it appears it went over like a fart in a whirlwind; I'll wish for an NXS model with ATACR glass... What I really wish for is the 2.5-10x42 NXS size upgraded to 4-16 (or there abouts, at very least 3-12) with ATACR glass, even if they made it slightly bigger, I could live with it, even if it finished in the 25-26oz range. (illuminated 2.5-10 NXS is ~20oz)
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These are hunting forums not prs forums last time I checked. Yep 34 mm is, all show some model atacrâs have less erector travel than the 30 mm nxs line. Donât get me wrong I love nightforce but it catering to a crowd here This is why many people here donât take you seriously. You get these crazy ideas that are inspired by a very specific and fringe scenario, and proclaim them as universal truth. Who is this âoptics company ownerâ, and what sort of credibility does he have when speaking of how manufacturers build scopes? Youâre basing your entire claim on a âhe-said, she-saidâ rumor. I just looked on the Nightforce website and compared like models of NXS with ATACR, and one single model of NXS had EQUAL vertical travel with the ATACR. For every other comparison the ATACR had more vertical. Additionally, whoâs to say that an extra few ounces is a greater disadvantage than the extra tube strength and erector travel is an advantage? Just because you may think so, that doesnât make it true for everyone, nor all hunters. Hardly a marketing gimmick. As I said, a 34mm tube isnât ideal for every rifle, but it definitely has its place. On a rifle set up for mainly stationary shooting with relatively little hiking, itâs great.
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These are hunting forums not prs forums last time I checked. Yep 34 mm is, all show some model atacrâs have less erector travel than the 30 mm nxs line. Donât get me wrong I love nightforce but it catering to a crowd here And many of the guys commenting the opposite of you appear to have much more hunting experience than you. Though you did get that one coyote...
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Not to mention a company could build CC eeeeeerrrrrrr DD (Debbie Downer) the perfect optic to suit his taste, deliver it to his doorstep â along with a 6ft-truck-bed full of cash and he'd beotch because the money wasn't stacked and counted. DF
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Iâm gonna tote this all over the WY countryside in about a week 10 lbs ainât a big deal for the return
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Iâm gonna tote this all over the WY countryside in about a week 10 lbs ainât a big deal for the return
Impossible.
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Youâre a tougher man than me. I draw the line at 9lbs. 15.71oz.
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I can respect those rails and rings, look stout. Gotta bed a Seekins rail soon on my 30-06.
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Youâre a tougher man than me. I draw the line at 9lbs. 15.71oz. When do we get to hear about that TT?
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34mm tubes are also stronger. I wasn't aware of NF 30 mm tubes failing. its marketing, a guy that owns an optics company told me that often times they put the exact same internals into the larger tube scopes, he has even seen 1" internals put into 34 mm tube scopes. ala burris XTR. people need to stop and look at what they are getting besides weight and bulk from a 34 mm tube. I contend its nothing. its adding at least 3 ounces, limiting mounting options and adding bulk needlessly. again this is for the bigger is better crowd. 20# PRS rifles etc. I am not seeing optics companies marketing strong scopes and more robust internals with 34mm, I would think if it is indeed either scope companies would tout it. You were the one who mentioned the PRS crowd and rifles. I just wanted to check what you said since your posts tend to be full of inaccurate information. đ why don't you say what is inaccurate? jordan has stated his disagreement with me,which I am good with. although he still admits 34mm isn't for everyone. This is the classic pattern here when all else fails attack the messenger and say that is inaccurate without any substance to the statement. prove me wrong and I will thank you for doing so. Look I don't need anyone's approval. I don't need to post pics of animals or whatever to prove anything to anyone. if everyone got on here an agreed about everything with no debate how useful would the forum be? not very much, I point out group think and pack mentality. when it comes to optics people seem to defend their purchase with their life. I on the other hand will admit if my scope sucks or my 40k brand new truck was a POS. I don't care, again I need no justification on my purchases. If you purchased an over weight bulky ATACR 34mm tube scope hey its your perogative. I simply point out 34mm is BS and marketing for 99% of applications, most notably hunting. the 100 MOA that a 30mm NXS tube scope has will get pretty much any worthwhile long range rig out past 1 mile. this is a hunting forum and I assume guys come here to about hunting optics. this 30mm tube NXS seemed to get the job done in the worst possible conditions. So if the 30mm tube NXS will get you beyond a mile why do you need 34mm? if the 30mm tube NXS will take a bullet through the freaking erector assembly and still hold zero why do you need 34mm -if the 34mm is going to add at least 3 ounces why do you want it in a hunting scope? if the 34mm scope has less and more expensive scope mounting optics why do you want it? if the 34mm is more bulky why do you want it? ok at what point is 34mm a step back and bring more negative to the table in a hunting rig? pure and simple its a marketing ploy to keep up with the bigger is better crowd, but you can't handle the truth.
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pure and simple its a marketing ploy to keep up with the bigger is better crowd, but you can't handle the truth.
Jesus Christ. Itâs how you get high magnification, great glass, a great eyebox, good eye relief, and forgiving parallax in a 12 inch long scope.
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Big guns in the mountains... No hill for a climber. DF
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why don't you say what is inaccurate? jordan has stated his disagreement with me,which I am good with. although he still admits 34mm isn't for everyone. This is the classic pattern here when all else fails attack the messenger and say that is inaccurate without any substance to the statement. prove me wrong and I will thank you for doing so. Look I don't need anyone's approval.
We just try to keep you accountable, and hope that you will do all in your power to not repeat the mistake.
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pure and simple its a marketing ploy to keep up with the bigger is better crowd, but you can't handle the truth.
Itâs how you get high magnification, great glass, a great eyebox, good eye relief, and forgiving parallax in a 12 inch long scope. You're wasting your time, as am I. Some people prefer to remain in ignorance...
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Typical PRS rig...This is a âHunting Forumâ donâtcha know. A lot to like right there. Happy it all worked out for you. đ
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My comment regarding your âAccuracyâ is based on many of your past posts that show you have limited first hand-knowledge or experience doing what you post about. You routinely cite opinions like they are hard facts; they are not. Facts require more than a cursory google search, or at the very least, acknowledging your opinion is subjective and limited. đ
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Big guns in the mountains... No hill for a climber. DF DF, Good job on âPhoto Shoppingâ that 7m/08 đŹ Nice heavy bodied ram, too. đ
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