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More so when one is brain washed.

Ringman - ya think it's possible that you could be more careful about how you quote me?

And If you're accusing me of being brainwashed, I find that kind of funny. The way I see it, you literalists are brainwashed, and so are the atheists.

If you so want to take Genesis literally, how about this passage?

Gen. 4:10
"But the LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground!

You suppose that was audible? What exactly do you think that phrase means?

Or - how about this...

Psalm 19:1-2
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. "

I have yet to hear a recording of "sky speech" - but atheists should pay closer attention to what the heavens have been telling us. BTW - what do you think we should do about this passage, in light of what the heavens have been teaching us about the age of the universe and its beginning?

In 1956 a couple guys received the Nobel prize for discovering the earth "groans". Let me see. Where did I read about that? O yea. It's in Romans. But to answer your foolish question..... You anthropomorphize God. You think the Creator of the universe is limited to the senses you experience?

Well said, FreeMe.

It's all very simple......White people were created, Blacks evolved from monkeys.


Go chew on that one a while, deflave.

Ringman vs Dawkins:

Wow, Richard Dawkins? Rilly? That sorry sumbitch would put us in camps if he had the power....well some of us anyway.

Really? You respond to his arguments with argumentum ad hominem?

Just by similarities of shape and structure, people are still looking for the missing link where man evolved from an ape-like creature. Why not back it up to the very beginning where life was supposed to start from a single cell and got more complex as it evolved into a more sophisticated double cell and so on until we have all the life forms that inhabit the earth today.

So as these cells became increasingly complex, some turned into a blade of grass, others became trees, lizards, horses, insects and every organic life form that we observe today. Where does my DNA connect me to a tree or butterfly?

All science is a knowledge based on discovery and not invention. Science only finds out things that have always existed and then builds upon previous discoveries to help new discoveries. As this science evolves intellectuals add their understanding to previous discoveries and make conclusions accordingly.

When you can show me that my DNA is the same as a 2X4, I will pay more attention. But I guarantee you that at the time of your death, you will find out if your ancestors were an amoeba or Adam and Eve...

Also, if you don't believe that Egypt is actually an iron furnace (literally, an enclosed structure in which iron can be heated to very high temperatures for smelting), then God has some special suffering to send your way when you've passed into the great beyond, and that regardless of whether or not you trust in Jesus (sarcasm).

"But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day."

- Deuteronomy 4:20

So, let's have it. Is Egypt literally an iron furnace, or isn't it? Your eternal disposition is on the line based on your answer to that question. Don't call the Bible a liar, now.

I am not even calling you a liar, you are just confused and rely on intellect for your perception of your existence, I rely on God...

You make some good points. While you have Hawkeyes attention, how about seeing if you can persuade him to remove his boyfriends picture from his signature line.

Is God telling you that Egypt is literally an iron furnace, or do you suppose that's a metaphor?

Like, perhaps, the Lord having formed Adam from the dust of the ground? - Genesis 2:7

That, not taken literally, would seem to suggest that Adam (i.e., man) was made from what had once been inorganic matter (i.e., the dust of the ground), which is actually an amazing insight, lending credence to the claims that the Bible was in fact divinely inspired, since men of the ancient world would have no other way of knowing that.

The flip side of Evolution was Ey Jude.

If you aren’t an attorney, you sure reason as one. You are trying the same distortion of logic that the Sanhedrin used in the days of Christ. I am not here to get tangled up with your skewed version of scripture and devotion to evolution, I am only pointing out some holes of your belief system and continue to cling to my beliefs. What do you think will happen to you when you die?

Evolution deesn't require "devotion" to be accepted as a reality, as it's quite evident to anyone who's not pre-scientific in his thinking.

PS Is it your belief, based on your reading of the Bible, that women become pregnant by merely knowing a man?

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain ..." - Genesis 4:1

Remember, you have to take it plainly and literally. You're not allowed to apply your knowledge about how conception happens, filling in any gaps in the text with information about eggs, sperm, zygotes, etc., otherwise you're doubting the plain and literal word of God, and damnation will surely follow.

That isn’t his boyfriend, I believe that is a video of him when the judge told him he was defending the wrong parking violation...

Shrap, you a young earth guy too?

It would appear so.