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I think if one man could do it, certainly another could also. A lil ole lady with a single shot smashed the world record griz with a single 22lr, this is kinda like shooting a whitetail with a 223 type thing.
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Can you do it while a Griz is coming at you from 30 yards away at 40 mph is the question. bingo!
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Can you do it while a Griz is coming at you from 30 yards away at 40 mph is the question. bingo! Absolutely, I’m not gone just stand there and let the phugger eat me. He’d have lead all in his mouth, face and head area. I’d probly take my 45acp as a backup piece, just in case. I’d have 16 230gr gold dots in it.
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He was posting in the General Big Game forum before and after this event occurred. Link. He also posted on a number of threads in the handgun forum. Empirical evidence offered by an impeccable source, good enough for me. In any self defense situation utilizing a hand gun certain skills increase your chance of survival: Smooth, fast presentation Multiple Accurate shots to the kill zone done in a short period of time Shoot until the problem is solved I carry Phil's proven load in bear country and practice the fundamentals frequently. Draw a Glock 19 from my HPG kit bag and fire 6 rounds of BBore into 6" at 7 yards in < 3 seconds. I call it the Phil Drill. There are no sure things, but I prefer preparation to speculation. I am headed to griz country on the 30th, my 3rd trip this year. YMMV mike r
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I imagine that penetration would be the most important factor, and that BB 9mm has proven itself in that department.
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Would, Could, and Should have different facets.
Would it? Sure.
Could it? If you're lucky.
Should you? There's much better things to carry. Why not carry one?
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Can you do it while a Griz is coming at you from 30 yards away at 40 mph is the question. bingo! Would you rather have 6 shots or three times that many? .44 or 9mm?.....My personal choice would be a Glock 20. 10mm.
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9mm with a 45 backup. Ok...
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9mm with a 45 backup. Ok... One in each hand!
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Don't go for the head shot. Classic rookie mistake. The skull is pointed, towards the nose, and the bullets will glance off. You need a chest shot. Good luck. Sounds like you have a lot of experience with Brown bears.
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Don't go for the head shot. Classic rookie mistake. The skull is pointed, towards the nose, and the bullets will glance off. You need a chest shot. Good luck. Sounds like you have a lot of experience with Brown bears. 
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I think a handgun of any type is grossly inferior to about any type of major caliber centerfire rifle. I think it was Jeff Cooper who said something to the effect that a handgun is what you use to fight your way to your rifle. A model 94 Winchester in 30-30 is a superior defensive tool than the most exotic, most powerful handgun you care to mention.
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I think a handgun of any type is grossly inferior to about any type of major caliber centerfire rifle. I think it was Jeff Cooper who said something to the effect that a handgun is what you use to fight your way to your rifle. Clint Smith said that, I believe.
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A model 94 Winchester in 30-30 is a superior defensive tool than the most exotic, most powerful handgun you care to mention. No doubt about that.
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http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030again.htmHe was huge...he terrorized the north west Idaho/Canada border country for twenty years. He was a cattle killer, as he grew older and slower he became a man killer...he ravaged and put fear into the hearts of those who lived in his roaming area for those two decades....he was shot over a dozen times with many of the heaviest black powder calibers of the times...but they never stopped him. Even to the point of charging several of the shooters and killing them....
Then in the fall of 1895 armed with a new high velocity rifle and caliber and lots of courage....a young 22 year old man that had grown up during this grizzly’s incredible reign of terror...hunted him down and killed him. John Horton out of Kalispel, hit him three times...twice at 75 yards to put him down, once in the head at point blank range, to make sure he stayed down. What was this fantastic new cartridge and rifle. A Winchester model 94 in 30-30...with 160 grain bullets at approx 1960 fps. And this is not an unusual story...a number of nasty bears that seemed impervious to black powder rounds met their match with the new ‘white powder’ rounds of the turn of the 19th/20th century.
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The ole turty-turty will kill anything in the America’s including a griz, just hard to conceal it.
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The Ranch Foreman in the TV Series Yellowstone used a 30/30 to kilt a Grizzly so that is all one needs. 
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I think a handgun of any type is grossly inferior to about any type of major caliber centerfire rifle. I think it was Jeff Cooper who said something to the effect that a handgun is what you use to fight your way to your rifle. A model 94 Winchester in 30-30 is a superior defensive tool than the most exotic, most powerful handgun you care to mention. Mostly true with a few exceptions.
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