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Interesting. Where does this doctrine come from?

Interesting. Where does this doctrine come from?

[quote=Trystan

Mankind kills the Child and God resurrects the Child back to life and you wicked man presume God to be wicked.


Trystan

Ok, here we go. I'm sure I'm gonna get screamed at for this one.
O well.

There are many ways to address what exists in what's in the Old Testament. I'm no scholar, have only my own guesses and can only describe my own opinions and experiences.
I've stated in another thread that the churches we have up here in yankeeville are nothing more that leftist blather spigots. They pat themselves on the back for giving a can of peas to some junkie, bitch a lot about gun owners, sing a lot, a real lot, and of course there's all the devotion to gay this and gay that.
You never hear much scripture. Or sanity for that matter.
If I were to rely on the drivel I've heard from those pulpits, I'd be a pie eyed basket case ready for the communist gas chambers... like the giggly pod people I found in attendance there.
No thanks.

What I've found is to pretty much ignore what others tell me and rely on my own conscience. To me that's a direct conduit upstairs and I rely on it as the true voice of God.
I've never needed a man, or any of his works, to tell me that murder is wrong, or stealing, or cheating on my ex-wife(and boy, have I had chances for that).
The voice of God that is my conscience unerringly directs me. I've just had to learn to recognize and follow it in even the smallest matters.
Truly doing my conscience's version of the right thing in all cases is a very hard thing to learn to do.
I've found thinking about problems in terms of the eternal instead of the right here, right now has thrown a completely different light on my life and has made my outlook on everything positive. With practice, a great deal of practice, I am continuing to lose the primal fear of the unknown. What an indescribably great feeling that is.

Anybody can find a negative example to justify laziness and partying and generally turning away from faith. I've done it. I felt shame for doing it and never want that shame again.
I don't pay any mind to freaks, no, but I won't give up my search for sanity in worship. Ever.

I'll weigh in with some of my "doctrine" on the subject. It is really beyond the scope of a forum post. Its as if I posted a thread asking "teach me to reload I don't know anything", most of you would say "get a manual" which is good advice. Its obvious what the manual is in this case. Get one, get into it, and don't quit. But, I'm gonna also say a few things that I have learned over the last 40 years...condensed cliff notes version.

When man committed high treason against God in the Garden of Eden he essentially turned the earth over to Satan. God first gave it to Adam and he gave it to Satan when he fell. Therefore, as long as this earth remains, Satan is going to hold sway over it.....and kill, steal, destroy. This is the first problem man has. We have an adversary both the believer and the non believer. The believer is going to eventually obtain authority over and protection from Satan IF he believes he has it and will use it. The non-believer, well, not so much....he is in the situation which Paul describes as "alien from the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world", even though he may be a "good person". Hate to be blunt but Satan essentially owns this person and can have his way with him.

The second problem is that upon ejection from Eden, God cursed man(Adam) and in a nutshell told him he would have to toil for a living, the women were going to have pain in childbirth and be subject to the males, and they was going to eventually die. This is problem number 2. We are pretty well stuck with this one. Believers as well as non-believers are subject to death, we both have to make a living by some kind of toil, we can't just pick fruit off the garden trees and chill anymore. Even rich people have to worry about losing their money one way or another....a form of mental toil which can be worse than hard physical work often times.

So God starts working on the plan of redemption. He makes covenant with Abraham and eventually creates Israel. He eventually gives them the law of that covenant which we call the "old testament" or old covenant. If you will look at the 28th chapter of Deuteronomy you will see the terms of this covenant, blessings if you keep the law, curses if you don't and Israel agreed to it and said that they were going to do everything they were supposed to which of course they failed to do. Pay particular attention to the curses......just about every calamity and disease that could possibly befall the human race is inflicted on Israel for disobedience.....including potentially "your kid getting cancer".....in so many words. Read it carefully. It is humanity's big problem number 3.

Time rolls on, the gospel narrative plays out. Jesus dies and rises again, fulfilling the Abrahamic covenant and its law. Paul comes on the scene and is taught the gospel by revelation from Jesus. He writes one of the most key verses in the Bible in Galatians 3:13...."Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law having been made a curse for us for it is written cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree, so that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles through Christ and we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith".

The "blessing of Abraham" is unmerited favor. Abraham "believed God and it was CREDITED to him for righteousness. So, believers are now in good shape.....we have unmerited favor, are out from under the curse of the law, and we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We can screw this up if we try to earn what we have already been given by doing good works and thinking that God now owes us something that he has already given us. This puts us back under law and back under the curse of the law, we "fall from grace" and "Christ profits us not". This is NOT GOOD. If you get into this position you need to repent, get back under God's grace or unmerited favor. Most churches teach a set of rules more or less one way or another and sadly put their people in the position of being outside grace.

If you are truly a Christian and get entangled with sin, you essentially open the door to Satan and give him a free shot. You still have God's unmerited favor but you are getting over into Satan's turf (remember he still is the "god of this world"). Mess with him long enough and he is liable to kill you. This is bad business. This is why the so called "greasy grace" or being able to get away with anything because God loves you and you are under grace won't work. Wrong!

This is my attempt to answer the age old question "why do bad things happen to "good" people", or why does God allow it.

A lot of people don't get that sometimes when they ask God for something, the answer is "NO".It's sort of like luck.Sometimes you have to make your own

I certainly won’t scream at ya for it. Lot closer to my relationship with god than anything in the Bible.

Old Testament is pretty fugged up. But then, look at the time and folks that wrote it. Thousands of years later and they’re still stoning people, choppin’ off heads, killing women and children because their got their feelings hurt, fugkin’ goats......

Anyway, if you believe in the Old Testament, you don’t have to look any further to answer the OP’s question. That God is a murderous prick.

I certainly won’t scream at ya for it. Lot closer to my relationship with god than anything in the Bible.

Old Testament is pretty fugged up. But then, look at the time and folks that wrote it. Thousands of years later and they’re still stoning people, choppin’ off heads, killing women and children because their got their feelings hurt, fugkin’ goats......


Anyway, if you believe in the Old Testament, you don’t have to look any further to answer the OP’s question. That God is a murderous prick.

The Old Testament was changed to a kinder and gentler sales pitch?

Not that I know. The OT still has a lot of dead first borns. Seems he liked to visit death upon the innocent.

Is the OT the word of God? I see people reject it, like it doesn’t matter or isn’t correct etc, but still believe in God and are Christians...

What’s the deal?