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To be sure.

But what’s the basis for the dissent? Is it the word of God? If it is, seems like it ought to matter.

Why do you ask us knowing we only have guesses ourselves? Is the attention you get worth the pita you give?
I have asked God myself. All I can get in this infancy are guesses and feelings but now I have a direction and a goal I can happily strive for.
You want to know? Ask him yourself.

Oh, I ain’t judging. Just reading a bit. God was all about striking down first borns in Exodus, Psalms, Numbers......

I’m just saying, if you question why God let’s children suffer and die, and you’re referencing the OT God, it’s pretty obvious. At least to me.

Lack of faith?

What would you say, hunt?

then just forget the whole thing, problem solved...?

You said He liked to visit death on the innocent. All are born of the flesh. None are innocent. You judged your maker.

Judge not, ......

Ahh. I see.

I’ll amend that to babies. Those damned guilty babies.

I don't know, was truly just a question. I see all the time references to the "Old Testament God" being contrasted to the God in the New Testament.

My understanding was that they were one and the same, but I've seen enough Christians use this figure of speech that I am asking for clarification.

Question that has puzzled me in the past is why does God permit man to blaspheme Him. Maybe for another thread.

He loves them and gives them time to turn from their sin? Or, wants them to at least get the blessing of a natural life before meeting their chosen reward?

What is needed is a spiritual director who can sort through generally accepted fact, that which is under reasonable dispute, and that within the realm of mystery. Denomination probably doesn't matter. I've known a few.

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth.
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.


John 9:1-12

Attention? Nope. If I was after attention, I’d be on here replying to every post.

I had no preconceived expection of what you or anyone else knows. I had hope there might be some actual answers rather than guesses.

Since you and others have asked god himself and got nothing, I guess I’ll not waste my time on that task.

You have the answers God deemed good enough for us.

Proof of God will be found in Heaven or Hell. Its up to you where you get your proof, but get it you will.

First off, when you read the Bible you are reading what different people in different times THOUGHT about God. Whether some, or all, were Divinely inspired was decided by a bunch of politicians in the 300 years following the life of Jesus. Anyone believing in an inerrant bible are putting their faith in the combined hands of these early Church Fathers under the thumb of Rome.

As far as the OT, the Jews saw God as both a Spiritual and Earthly King and Judge. No separation of church and state for them. When they plead for God to kill their enemies, it’s the same as you asking the Jidgevto throw the book at the guy who poisoned your bird dog.If they wanted to rape all the women of their captured enemies, there was always some Prophet to assure them that that is exactly what God wants. Some of the OT is actual reportage of events and may be factual but, just like today, there may be some embellishment.

I give more credibility to the Prophets who were not telling the people what they want to hear. That’s just common sense.... human nature has not changed since biblical times.

As far as the NT, I get a clearer picture of Christ if I focus on the Gospels and the letters from the Apostles who actually walked with Jesus leaving Paul’s theology for those who seek to sharpen their intellect.... or find fault with their brethren.As far as Revelation... John’s vision is much too distorted for me to glean anything useful from it.

That’s a good take, Curdog. I agree on the OT and would guess that train of thought can be applied to groups and religions well before the Jews.

New testament was a law with the Israelites fulfilled by the shedding of blood by Christ to was away our sins. Now, we believers are covered by Christs atonement and are sinless if we believe on Christ and try to follow Him with our lives and REPENT and ask forgiveness of our sins.

We are not held to the same laws as those in the OT, from what i have been told. I dont totalky understand because Jesus said he came to fulfill the law and not do away with it. He also said His words were forever.

Wheres Ringman.

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Can you explain things re diff in OT and New T for us RM.

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I was once asked by a Seventh Day Adventist why I don't do the Sabbath. To answer him, I wrote an essay; which he and the elders went over with a "fine tooth comb." (Forgive me TRH.) It is thirteen pages long. But I will cut about a dozen and a half pages out and give some insight.

Jesus says He didn't come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill It. He did that and on the cross he tells us, "It is finished." Later God tells us the Law has been abolished having been nailed to HIs cross. Another place He tells us He made both the Jews and the Gentiles one people by destroying the Law. Another place He gives us The Law a a tutor to lead us to Christ. Now that Christ has come we no longer need a tutor.

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If you want I will private message the essay to you.