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I'd sell it to somebody in Kentucky. It'd be a whole lot easier... lol
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I wouldn't ship a handgun to God if he was in Kalifornia. Even if he was an FFL holder. Too much that can be MADE to go wrong depending on the circumstances.
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Please tell us why he needs to ship using an FFL? What benefit does it provide?
Even after paying a transfer fee, it's usually cheaper now that UPS and FedEx went nuts. I live ban state and this [bleep] drives me nuts, people making up their own laws, crazy ideas and stupid notions. It needs to stop. It's bad enough the state is screwing us, we don't need it from people who are supposedly on our side.
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I wouldn't ship a handgun to God if he was in Kalifornia. Even if he was an FFL holder. Too much that can be MADE to go wrong depending on the circumstances. This^^^^^is why I start with an FFL who has a copy of the FFL he is sending MY gun to. I am absolving myself of any legal entanglements that arise because of the transfer. I never claimed it was current federal law. The USPS and UPS in my area absolutely will not ship a handgun unless a dealer with a current FFL ships it. Federal law allows me (or anyone else) to ship any gun I own to the manufacturer for warranty work or repair. USPS and UPS pull out a huge policy manual and begin leafing through it trying to find the policy that prohibits anyone but an FFL holder from shipping any firearm. Paying a dealer $25.00 to do the transfer for me is just a lot easier, and avoids any legal entanglements that might snare me. Kalipornia doesn't want any more guns in the state...period. You can get one there, as long as it's not a banned one, and there is the regulation Shrapnel pointed out. I wasn't aware of it because I won't ship a firearm into Kalipornia. I've never researched their state laws governing firearms.
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I would sell to just about any other state.
I think that in CA, if you sell a gun to someone and they do something illegal with it, there is a way for the District Attorney to make you an accessory.
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I wouldn't ship a handgun to God if he was in Kalifornia. Even if he was an FFL holder. Too much that can be MADE to go wrong depending on the circumstances. I wouldn't sell a muzzleloader to a California resident.
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Got a handgun up for sale, gentleman contacted me about shipping it to his FFL in California. Gun comes with three 16 round magazines. What's the legality of this? He told me that his FFL says it's fine for me to ship it to them. He has sent me a copy of the FFL and his driver's license. Everything check out? Don't walk away from this, run. California has the worst import restrictions in the country. You have to ship to an FFL and you need a certificate from the California Department of Justice before you can ship. I don't know what the law is about shipping it as an individual, but you won't find many dealers that will deal with California. California wants it this way and you are better off not even trying to deal with this mess... You don't need a certificate if it's going from a non-FFL to an FFL.
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Ca, Md, IL, everything North East of Pa. would be avoided by me.
I don't hate those states,but their laws will F' you up.
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I'd verify his FFL online and ship it.
Mags and guns and all that CA schit is their problem not yours.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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to the OP, it is your choice, but if it were me I would not ship from me to their FFL.
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I wouldn't ship a handgun to God if he was in Kalifornia. Even if he was an FFL holder. Too much that can be MADE to go wrong depending on the circumstances. I wouldn't sell a muzzleloader to a California resident. That's no joke. Had to abort a ML sale to a guy from DE (IIRC) once because he didn't want to go through a dealer as required by the wacky state laws.
What fresh Hell is this?
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I have always found that if a deal doesn't feel quite right it's best just to walk away.
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Cal has a 10 round limit so I would be skeptical. Maybe "old" mags are OK, but I would be very sure. You could end up losing the lot or worse. Last I heard was a Judge vacated that crap law, don't know the current status though. I would ship the mags separately and let the buyer deal with the laws.
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That's the FFL's problem. It's not a federal law. You're not doing anything wrong. It's crossing state lines and going to an FFL. That's it.
Everything else is a CA problem.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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That's the FFL's problem. It's not a federal law. You're not doing anything wrong. It's crossing state lines and going to an FFL. That's it.
Everything else is a CA problem. This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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How about take the info from his supposed FFL and verify all information is accurate with the ATF before you talk to friggin Snoop Dog on the phone and he gives you the go ahead.
Some FFL’s require an item these days to be shipped from an FFL because of theft.
Personally, a buyer telling me to ship a handgun non-FFL is a red flag. He shouldn’t give a rat’s a$$ how you send it.
For shizzle dizzle One of the newer scams I heard about is people getting tracking numbers and then changing delivery instructions on the internet...
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Got a handgun up for sale, gentleman contacted me about shipping it to his FFL in California. Gun comes with three 16 round magazines. What's the legality of this? He told me that his FFL says it's fine for me to ship it to them. He has sent me a copy of the FFL and his driver's license. Everything check out? Go to the ATF website and verify his license....ETA, Be careful about the magazines...10 rd. limit...
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Got a handgun up for sale, gentleman contacted me about shipping it to his FFL in California. Gun comes with three 16 round magazines. What's the legality of this? He told me that his FFL says it's fine for me to ship it to them. He has sent me a copy of the FFL and his driver's license. Everything check out? Go to the ATF website and verify his license....ETA, Be careful about the magazines... 10 rd. limit... Over 10 rounds is ILLEGAL in California. Also the precise model of handgun must be on the California Approved List.
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Got a handgun up for sale, gentleman contacted me about shipping it to his FFL in California. Gun comes with three 16 round magazines. What's the legality of this? He told me that his FFL says it's fine for me to ship it to them. He has sent me a copy of the FFL and his driver's license. Everything check out? Don't walk away from this, run. California has the worst import restrictions in the country. You have to ship to an FFL and you need a certificate from the California Department of Justice before you can ship. I don't know what the law is about shipping it as an individual, but you won't find many dealers that will deal with California. California wants it this way and you are better off not even trying to deal with this mess... This only applies to FFL holders.An individual can ship to a FFL holder.I do not know about magazine size restrictions and would call up the FFL holder you are shipping to.Remember,the advice you are getting here is worth exactly what you paid for it.Call the FFL and get it from the horses mouth.Huntz
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