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He doesn't want to reach further out, and in fact probably can't even shoot to 250 where he hunts.
32-34 grains of H4895 will do the 2300 fps trick.
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I think I might try some slow 150s as well since I have a bunch of them. But that loping 140 sounds interesting.
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I am tempted to try the 150 gr. Partitions in my 30-30 AI. Should be able to easily get 2400 fps and this would make a good timber load along with being useful to 250 yards covering the vast majority of Whitetail hunting.
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I think I might try some slow 150s as well since I have a bunch of them. But that loping 140 sounds interesting. I'm hard pressed to tell the difference in wound channels in hogs between a 140 partition and a 139 Interlock at any speed a 7-08 (or 7x57) will launch them at. A partition will work but at those speeds I'd use a 139 Interlock. They're cheaper and work great.
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I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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Took a moose with a 150 gr Partition out of a 300 Savage last week. My first shot, in a sideways rainstorm, hit high in the liver. Next shot, thru the heart and lungs, at 65 yards, rolled him instantly. Was on my knees, in knee high brush, with no kind of rest in sight. Been a fan of Partitions for 4 decades, yet to be disappointed. Other 3 guys in camp were using various 300 mags with 180 gr bullets, not Partitions. Guy using Trophy Bondeds shot his 3 times, 1st shot was bad and last shot un-necessary. Other 2 got 1 shot kills, 1 with Interlock and don't remember what bullet other guy used. All shot their bulls thru the shoulder at 200-250 yards. Ground up some meat, but collected their bulls. Something to be said for rifles and calibers that make it easy to put a bullet in the right spot.
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Great story about Partitions and Savage rifles. I assume you shot the moose with a Savage 99. Which model 99?
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Jerseyboy, it's a 1899 EG takedown with a Redfield peep. Just right in a rain blowing sideways.
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Jerseyboy, it's a 1899 EG takedown with a Redfield peep. Just right in a rain blowing sideways. Nice Rifle Fish, any pictures? That is a classic and a fine choice in Cartridge. Glad you were able to get on game this season. Sounds like a freezer full.
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Got a pic posted down in the image gallery. Hope you all enjoy my camo pants. Pics where the moose went down did not come out well as it was seriously raining, so picture is back at cabin later in the afternoon.
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fishdog,
Congratulations!
But I have heard, especially on the Campfire, that Partitions aren't accurate enough and lose too much weight to kill any sort of big game well. How did you ever manage a moose?
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fishdog,
Congratulations!
But I have heard, especially on the Campfire, that Partitions aren't accurate enough and lose too much weight to kill any sort of big game well. How did you ever manage a moose? Now this is some good humor..... If I may tag along, I've said I prefer the A-frame to Nosler's partition because the A-frame does not shed the front core.....this yields weight retention. It also has been my experience that A-Frames are slightly more accurate..... that said, it's never been my experience that Nosler's partition isn't fully adequate to what ever task is at hand. It's entirely possible that spending more on a bullet over the price of partitions from Nosler is a complete waste of money. One can look all over the forums on the internet and he can find some negative reports on just about every bullet made......except the partition from Nosler. I've never found anyone that bad-mouths this bullet.......and that's saying a lot.
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First post. I started using Partitions in the late '60's and they have treated me well. I shot my first moose in 1959. My dad always preached neck/back of the head shots. When we moved to central Alaska in 1951 he bought a new Model 70 30-06 with a Williams receiver sight, and he was a deadly shot with it. All of these years I followed this method. .375 H&H, 7mm mag, 30-06 it didn't matter. I probably didn't need the Partitions for this particular shot, but they shot well and gave me confidence in bear country. We never lost a moose. This year my son tried a lung shot on a 2 year old at 50 yds. Bullet entered right behind the near leg and exited the opposite side slightly forward hitting the far leg, but no bones were hit, not even ribs. The bullet did a good job, the moose was down in 30 feet. I was amazed at the amount of lost meat in the far shoulder. A lot of blood shot all through that shoulder. Load was a Federal High Energy 30-06 with the 180 grain partition. I am thinking seriously about changing to the 220 grain partitions at slightly reduced velocity of 2400 fps for the future. The longest shot I ever had to make on a moose was 300 yds. (but most are much closer) and the 220's should hold up well in this application. Maybe less meat loss and better bear protection in the woods.
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I have killed a total of 15 elk in my life so far and way too many deer and pigs to count and all but a few were shot with 180 30 cal Partitions. I now use Accubond's mostly as I can get better accuracy than Partitions but I still love the old Partition and use them every now and then.
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DropShot nice to hear from you!!!! Partitions are great!! Been using Accubonds a bit lately!!
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captdavid,
Yeah, you're right. Many hunters misunderstand Partitions. Many make the comment that they're too "tough" for deer-sized game, or assume because the exit hole can be pretty small, a Partition didn't expand--which as I've noted before, makes me wonder how many hunters axctually field-dress their own game.
The front core of Partitions consists of 2.5% antimony lead alloy, softer than any of the cup-and-core big game bullets I know of. The rear core alloy contains considerably more antimony. If I recall correctly, in most models it's 5%, but can vary slightly depending on the specific bullet, not only due to the game it might be used on, but accuracy. Some bullets shoot better with a slightly harder or softer rear core.
The jacket conformation can also vary, both over the rear core and front core, depending on the usual use of the bullet. Mule Deer, do you happen to know the material makeup of the core of the Lapua Scenar? Specifically the 139gn 6.5. Reason I ask is I shot them into a target made of 1.5” particle board, then a stack of somewhat damp magazines. The 139 out penetrated every other bullet to include a 140 Partition and 127 LRX. It acted much more stout than the 147 And 143 ELDs as well as 140 Berger. The core acted differently and left me wondering what was different.
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fishdog,
Congratulations!
But I have heard, especially on the Campfire, that Partitions aren't accurate enough and lose too much weight to kill any sort of big game well. How did you ever manage a moose? I agree, they suck...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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fishdog,
Congratulations!
But I have heard, especially on the Campfire, that Partitions aren't accurate enough and lose too much weight to kill any sort of big game well. How did you ever manage a moose?
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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fishdog,
Congratulations!
But I have heard, especially on the Campfire, that Partitions aren't accurate enough and lose too much weight to kill any sort of big game well. How did you ever manage a moose? It's the indian, not the partition??
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Native Indians gave up stone and bone for copper and partitioned heads years ago. In this picture, a representative of Barns shows interested onlookers at last years's SHOT their latest innovation - the Barns Copper Head Tomahawk.
It's always the Indian.
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